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Old 12-15-2018, 01:01 AM
BuLLetpr00F BuLLetpr00F is offline
 
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I have one live round that is stamped “WRA .30 SL”. I thought i read somewhere there was only 100,000 produced in 42. Was I dreaming or did I read that somewhere?




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Old 12-15-2018, 08:00 AM
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There were actually 3 lots of that round made, all during 1941 for use with the new carbine. The first lot was 50,000 rounds completed in March 1941. The second lot was also 50,000 rounds, completed in June 1941. Those first 2 lots were used mainly for weapons testing.

The 3rd lot was for 300,000 rounds, placed in November 1941. All three lots carried the same headstamp (W.R.A. .30 S.L.). That third lot was packed in a 2 piece 50 round box with a wrap-around paper label. The label read "Cal. .30 Short Rifle M-1 Self Loading Cartridges". Production by Winchester after the third lot was to have a military style headstamp that included the plant code and date.

so, there were actually a total of 400,000 rounds of carbine ammunition made with that headstamp. However, since there were over 465 million rounds of carbine ammo made by Evansville alone, I'd say your round is indeed quite rare and collectible.

I, too, have one of those rounds, as well as an empty box with the label mentioned above. They are great additions to my collection.
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Old 12-15-2018, 11:29 PM
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Default Carbine Round stamped “WRA .30 S.L.”

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There were actually 3 lots of that round made, all during 1941 for use with the new carbine. The first lot was 50,000 rounds completed in March 1941. The second lot was also 50,000 rounds, completed in June 1941. Those first 2 lots were used mainly for weapons testing.



The 3rd lot was for 300,000 rounds, placed in November 1941. All three lots carried the same headstamp (W.R.A. .30 S.L.). That third lot was packed in a 2 piece 50 round box with a wrap-around paper label. The label read "Cal. .30 Short Rifle M-1 Self Loading Cartridges". Production by Winchester after the third lot was to have a military style headstamp that included the plant code and date.



so, there were actually a total of 400,000 rounds of carbine ammunition made with that headstamp. However, since there were over 465 million rounds of carbine ammo made by Evansville alone, I'd say your round is indeed quite rare and collectible.



I, too, have one of those rounds, as well as an empty box with the label mentioned above. They are great additions to my collection.


Silverplate, That’s some very good and detailed information, do you have a reference for me to look in to further? I haven’t seen much literature on the round....I wonder how many survived and are still live.



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Old 12-16-2018, 08:02 AM
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I found my information in Vol. 2 of "History of Modern U.S. Military Small Arms Ammunition" by Hackley, Woodin and Scranton. It is my go-to reference for all things ammo related. It is a hard book to find, but worth the investment when you do.
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Old 12-18-2018, 03:23 PM
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According to War Baby the first order of 50,000 rounds was ordered January 9th 1941 and Winchester finished it in March 1941. These cases had no head stamps on them. The second lot of 50,000 was ordered in June 1941 and those had the .30 SL head stamp. When Winchester first started to develop the .30 carbine round they hand made a small lot of cases from .32 Winchester cases. They used these for testing and some was sent to companies who were designing rifles for the up coming carbine competition. Now if someone finds one of these they have a real rare cartridge indeed.
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