Go Back   CMP Forums > CMP Sales > Ammunition
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 12-13-2010, 06:36 PM
edlmann edlmann is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: lovely downtown Central Florida
Posts: 5,028
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dwDragon88 View Post
That's the thing, it is commonly thought that 9mm NATO uses a 124gr bullet. Winchester, the manufacturer of US military 9mm, sells a 124gr NATO load commercially. However, the only official data I have ever seen list a bullet in the 115gr range. For example, the Army Ammunition Data Sheets, Small Caliber Ammunition:

http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/TM43-0001-27.pdf
Page 12-5 says 112 gr.
__________________
I love the smell of MRT in the morning - it reminds me of . . . wet canvas."
I'm what you'd call a legend in my own mind.
2071 posts on the old forum - not that I'm counting . . .
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12-13-2010, 06:52 PM
dwDragon88 dwDragon88 is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 152
Default

Yes that's why I posted it. "115 range." Have you ever seen a 112 gr 9mm bullet?
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12-13-2010, 07:04 PM
Teddydogno1 Teddydogno1 is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 90
Default

I happen to have 10 boxes of genuine US M882 ball. I'll sacrifice a round and pull it down for you. Then we'll all know.

Rob

EDIT: and the winner is...123.6 grains. This is from a brown cardboard box marked as follows: 50 CARTRIDGES, 9mm BALL NATO, M882, LOT WCC87E013-082, OLIN CORPORATION. Ammo is in a styrofoam tray. Headstamp is the NATO symbol over WCC 87. So I guess it is possible that this is an old spec. FYI, the powder is a small grain ball or flake and weighed around 2.7 gr.

Last edited by Teddydogno1; 12-13-2010 at 07:43 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 12-14-2010, 05:05 PM
CadillacMike CadillacMike is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Tampa Bay FL
Posts: 3,448
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Teddydogno1 View Post
I happen to have 10 boxes of genuine US M882 ball. I'll sacrifice a round and pull it down for you. Then we'll all know.

Rob

EDIT: and the winner is...123.6 grains. This is from a brown cardboard box marked as follows: 50 CARTRIDGES, 9mm BALL NATO, M882, LOT WCC87E013-082, OLIN CORPORATION. Ammo is in a styrofoam tray. Headstamp is the NATO symbol over WCC 87. So I guess it is possible that this is an old spec. FYI, the powder is a small grain ball or flake and weighed around 2.7 gr.
That's pretty much the same stuff that Olin-Win sells commercially, either in the plain white NATO marked box, or the fancier blue & gold 'Ranger' NATO marked box. I have a few WCC 09 rounds from the brown mil supply box, but only a few. and i don't have a precision grain wt scale.

I wonder if the NATO Spec changed and noone bothered to update the manuals on the net? Maybe I'll ask some ammo types here...
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 12-14-2010, 05:16 PM
ANDYZ28 ANDYZ28 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Midlothian, VA
Posts: 767
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CadillacMike View Post
That's pretty much the same stuff that Olin-Win sells commercially, either in the plain white NATO marked box, or the fancier blue & gold 'Ranger' NATO marked box. I have a few WCC 09 rounds from the brown mil supply box, but only a few. and i don't have a precision grain wt scale.

I wonder if the NATO Spec changed and noone bothered to update the manuals on the net? Maybe I'll ask some ammo types here...

It would be nice to break down an '09 round and see if they are the same as '87.
__________________
http://andyz28.com/supportm1forvets.html
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 12-14-2010, 05:20 PM
dwDragon88 dwDragon88 is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 152
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ANDYZ28 View Post
It would be nice to break down an '09 round and see if they are the same as '87.
Does it really matter? Why are you so concerned about 9gr difference in the weight of the bullet, when you don't even own a 9mm pistol? I still don't understand that.

The answer is above. 124gr.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 12-14-2010, 06:13 PM
ANDYZ28 ANDYZ28 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Midlothian, VA
Posts: 767
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dwDragon88 View Post
Does it really matter? Why are you so concerned about 9gr difference in the weight of the bullet, when you don't even own a 9mm pistol? I still don't understand that.

The answer is above. 124gr.
You do have a valid point, sorry.
__________________
http://andyz28.com/supportm1forvets.html
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 12-14-2010, 06:24 PM
dwDragon88 dwDragon88 is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 152
Default

You will find some great loads with the 124gr, I would stick with that and enjoy. Do test your load though if you can before you load a lot.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 12-14-2010, 08:27 PM
ANDYZ28 ANDYZ28 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Midlothian, VA
Posts: 767
Default

A friend of mine here at work has an M92 we are going to use. Thanks, Andy
__________________
http://andyz28.com/supportm1forvets.html
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 12-15-2010, 12:03 PM
CadillacMike CadillacMike is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Tampa Bay FL
Posts: 3,448
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ANDYZ28 View Post
It would be nice to break down an '09 round and see if they are the same as '87.
I have a puller but i don't have a grain scale.

I DO have a Bettetta, commercial M9..

I like my Colt govt Models & RR M1911A1 better!

Last edited by CadillacMike; 12-15-2010 at 04:40 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:31 AM.