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Old 02-17-2019, 10:34 AM
Jdhagen Jdhagen is offline
 
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Default M1917 Bolt Serial number question

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I have just added a Remington M1917 to my "American Battle Rifles of the 20th Century" collection. I just finished a detailed tear down and inch-by-inch inspection and I have a question. The markings tell me that it is likely 100% Remington with it's original barrel. The serial number dates to October 1918 with the barrel dates to August 1918. Since the war ended a month after the rifle was assembled I think I can safely deduct that it did not make it overseas and probably wasn't rebuilt. While inspecting the bolt I saw that it has a different number stamped on it than the serial number. Since I'm not an M1917 expert I needed to ask if this has any particular meaning, or is it normal? Also, there is a tiny stamp on the receiver near the serial number that looks like the letter "G". I have not been able to identify it. Is it a stamp? Am I seeing things? I wish I could attach a picture, but the forum won't let me.
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Old 02-17-2019, 11:45 AM
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Possibly a Canadian purchased rifle. The 'G' you describe could be the C around broad arrow stamped poorly. They also stamped bolts with serials.
This would explain also the mostly original condition. Any import barrel stamp, or similar broad arrow stamp on the side of buttstock?
Take a look at the pics in this thread. https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=66907
Congratulations, would love to see pics if you can later.
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Old 02-17-2019, 03:29 PM
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I am not sure what you mean by the markings? Many of the parts are stamped, those being R, W or E on a 1917.

The bolt is not an SN item, it was added by Canadians, Danes and maybe French forces that were issued that rifle (GB as well ?) .

Rarely do the SN bolts stay with the rifles as they are shuffled back to the US - yours may wind up in that odd area if it an all R bolt that is correct but the SN says its not the original.

You don't say what the stock is like or what it has on it (R on the end?)

Some parts have stamps with numbers, those are inspector numbers. Those numbers also have an association with R, W or E.

The final one to confirm is one you don't want to. That is in the safety itself. There is one small part in there that is a bugger to get out and harder to get back together.

I have not heard of a foreign supplied rifle that is original. Have to get my archives but there is a lot of parts that have to be right for that to be true.

PS: I am something of a 1917 fanatic, but not one of the experts.
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:45 PM
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Original might not be the right term. Correct, possibly. Research will tell. Great info on the serial number on the bolt, thanks.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:32 AM
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If I did this right these links should work. It just took a little thought to figure it out. I'm curious about the stock being marked with the Remington "R" near the rear sling swivel and a "W" just forward of the magazine well. I'm presuming the W isn't a Winchester mark. Any input is appreciated!



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Old 02-18-2019, 09:43 AM
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I know it was very common to see bolt serial numbers on many M1917s that were returned from Denmark - the import or export law said the bolts had to be separate from the rifles until the rifles arrived and obviously, no one took the time to "reunite" the bolts. However, as memory serves, I believe most of those rifles had different bolt serial number stamps.

I also seem to recall that many Canadian M1917s were sent to Denmark shortly after WWII.
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:44 AM
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The stock should be marked with an R W or E on the front tip under the sight.

90 flat area below the barrel.

Have to adjust some security settings to see the pictures.
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Old 02-18-2019, 10:50 AM
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RC20- all the security settings are wide open for these links. See if you can paste them to your browser.
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Old 02-18-2019, 02:02 PM
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Thanks for the pics, great looking rifle.
A couple other things to check. It may have a milled follower to allow bolt closing on an empty magazine. Also may have remnants of red paint between forestock and hand guard.
A bit puzzling you don't find a CAI import stamp on the barrel, as they imported the Danish rifles in the '90's. Maybe this one came from Canada pre '68. Just a guess.
A great book describes these in better detail and relatively inexpensive on amazon.
"United States Rifle Model of 1917" by C.S. Ferris
Well worth it for all things "17
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:50 PM
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I also seem to recall that many Canadian M1917s were sent to Denmark shortly after WWII.
I think all the 1917s the Danes got were from Canada. The one I had the stock SN matches the receiver but as noted, bolt no.

A top score is the ones with Danish barrels! (yes they made their own for worn out ones, pretty amazing)
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