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Old 02-07-2019, 08:01 PM
sauger sauger is offline
 
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Default M1911 History guys, Need help!

I received my CMP M1911A1 about a month ago and I am very happy with it. It's a Colt frame with a Ithaca slide. The markings on the right side are United States Property, serial No620XXX, and M1911A1. The left side has an inspection number on the trigger guard. The only other stamp is P on top of the slide. That's it. My research shows that the 1911A1's started production in 1924 with serial number around 700,000. My guns Colt serial number seems to be from 1919, right before they stopped producing the M1911. Would I be safe to assume that they originally produced my frame as a M1911 and then upgraded it to a A1? I don't know a lot about the M1911 history and any information would be very appreciated.
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Old 02-07-2019, 08:12 PM
Artillero Artillero is offline
 
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Sauger,
Congratulations on your newly arrived pistol. In order to give you a decent idea of the history behind your pistol, it would help to post some pictures. Diassemble into the major compenet parts (slide, receiver, barrel) and take clear close up pictures. There are some very knowledgeable people frequenting the board who can tell you which parts may be original versus replacements whether the replacements are period or recent manufacture etc.
If current shipping trends continue, I should have my pistol in hand by mid March

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Artillero
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Old 02-07-2019, 08:44 PM
Quicksilvergoat Quicksilvergoat is offline
 
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Pics please. In that serial range it would have been a M1911 to start. If it’s now in M1911A1 configuration has it had finger cuts added?
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Old 02-08-2019, 06:37 AM
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Thanks for the input...it does have the finger cut outs and as far as I know everything else M1911A1. I'll try to get some pictures posted in the near future.
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Old 02-08-2019, 08:05 AM
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Wow really need pictures on this one!
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Old 02-08-2019, 08:41 AM
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I received my CMP M1911A1 about a month ago and I am very happy with it. It's a Colt frame with a Ithaca slide. The markings on the right side are United States Property, serial No620XXX, and M1911A1. The left side has an inspection number on the trigger guard. The only other stamp is P on top of the slide. That's it. My research shows that the 1911A1's started production in 1924 with serial number around 700,000. My guns Colt serial number seems to be from 1919, right before they stopped producing the M1911. Would I be safe to assume that they originally produced my frame as a M1911 and then upgraded it to a A1? I don't know a lot about the M1911 history and any information would be very appreciated.
THANK YOU CMP!!
In December, 1942, Springfield Armory shipped 6,200 surplus receivers of WWI vintage to ITHACA so production could begin on schedule. These receivers were reclaimed by the Ordnance Salvage Board after production terminated in 1919. Most of them were unfinished COLT receivers, but some were refurbished receivers with assembly & acceptance marks. ITHACA completed the necessary manufacturing operations {to make 'em M1911A1s)!!! These WWI COLT receivers are easily identified by the letter "H" at the 12 o'clock position from the disconnector hole, which indicated FRANK HOSNER's provisional inspection. Many of these surplus receivers had heart shaped openings in the grip, further indicating they were of WWI production. (CLAWSON (3rd Edition) Page 53).

If ITHACA did it...ain't no doubt that COLT sure as hell did the same!!!

I'm thinkin' that purdy much answers yer question!!!

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Old 02-09-2019, 02:29 PM
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Thanks for the History lesson..I appreciate it! I'll get some pictures posted as soon as I can.
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Old 02-11-2019, 01:55 PM
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Thanks for the History lesson..I appreciate it! I'll get some pictures posted as soon as I can.
Donít give up on us Sauger, we still would like to see some pics!

LHS
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:32 PM
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I haven't given up...having a difficult time getting the pics on here.
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