Go Back   CMP Forums > CMP Sales > CMP Bolt Action Rifles
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-08-2021, 09:15 PM
USMA-1982 USMA-1982 is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Fredericksburg VA
Posts: 199
Default 1917 Front Sight Question

My restored Win has an Eddystone .060 front sight blade. I'd like to get a W marked blade (even though it doesn't show ). Some vintage parts sites and eBay sellers have P14/P17 front sight blades in a range of heights. Was .060 standard for US issue Model '17s? Thanks!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-08-2021, 11:21 PM
Randy A Randy A is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Montana
Posts: 750
Default

Depended on each rifles targeting as to what height blade was used. You’d have to take it to the range, raise the sight up, set it to 200 and shoot at a 200 yard target. If the impact is 5” above your point of aim then it is the correct height sight blade. BTW, there is no such thing as a P17, never existed

Last edited by Randy A; 01-08-2021 at 11:35 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-09-2021, 05:00 PM
USMA-1982 USMA-1982 is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Fredericksburg VA
Posts: 199
Default

Yes, yes, yes, I have OCD too. Know all about the name history of the Model 1917, in fact here's a great article that covers the history of it - http://www.odcmp.org/503/rifle.pdf . However, there are literally dozens of sellers of Model 1917 parts that refer to "P14/P17" on their websites. But thanks.

Still curious if the Army ever specified a front sight blade height for the 1917?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-09-2021, 08:16 PM
jason60chev jason60chev is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 400
Default

Have you looked through the manuals for the riflez?
Check the M1917 forum on www.milsurps.com

Quote:
Originally Posted by USMA-1982 View Post
Yes, yes, yes, I have OCD too. Know all about the name history of the Model 1917, in fact here's a great article that covers the history of it - http://www.odcmp.org/503/rifle.pdf . However, there are literally dozens of sellers of Model 1917 parts that refer to "P14/P17" on their websites. But thanks.

Still curious if the Army ever specified a front sight blade height for the 1917?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-10-2021, 11:08 AM
USMA-1982 USMA-1982 is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Fredericksburg VA
Posts: 199
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jason60chev View Post
Have you looked through the manuals for the riflez?
Check the M1917 forum on www.milsurps.com

Yes, neither the 1917 or 1942 Field Manuals for the 1917 give front sight height. Manual states "It is true that the sights are correctly set for the distance and zero when the rifles leave the arsenals;" (1917) and the front sight "is adjusted laterally during assembly at the arsenal. It is locked in position, after adjustment, by upsetting part of the metal base into the lock seat with a punch." (1942). This leads me to believe the US Army did not contemplate changing front sight blades to achieve a finer zero for elevation during marksmanship training.

Lot of interesting posts on milsurps, thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-12-2021, 09:13 PM
USMA-1982 USMA-1982 is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Fredericksburg VA
Posts: 199
Default Found the answer

CoolGunSite has a link to pdf of the manual "Description and Rules for the Management of the United States Rifle Caliber .30, Model of 1917 dated October 8, 1917 (different from the 'Soldier's Handbook" for the 1917 which I referenced above). Located here - http://www.coolgunsite.com/Model-1917-Rifle.pdf

Similar to the P14 and SMLE, the front sight came in different heights, which were used for vertical adjustment.



I believe this must have been done before the rifle left the factory as there is no indication in the 1917 Soldier's Handbook or the 1942 Field Manual of any procedure for the soldier or unit armorer to swap front sights at the unit level, where zeroing and marksmanship training were conducted.

Also, thanks to member Jpm, I have a W marked front sight on order. I can sleep tonight
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:08 PM.