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Old 07-14-2019, 07:07 AM
BobJ50 BobJ50 is offline
 
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This is a partial list of Indian 7.62 with Lot #, quantity produced, quantity tested and "defects." The quality is so spotty and over the spectrum, I simply wouldn't bother with the stuff. India notes quantity as "Lakh" and one Lakh=100,000 cartridges.


INDIA-Yearwise and Lot Details of 7.62 MM Gde II Amn.
Legend: MF=Misfire CR=Complete Rupture PR=Partial Rupture
CBO=Cap Blown Out PC=Pierced Cap SC=Split Cap

1977 Lot No. Quantity/100K Rounds Fired Defects Observed

[14 Lots of 1977 Production-Lot 1-14 All Had Defects]

1. 157/AFK 2.44 1880 3 CBO
2. 160/AFK 1.46 1880 2 CBO
3. 163/AFK 2.07 1880 6 CBO
11. 114/OFV 4.42 5640 9 MF
12. 117/OFV 2.80 1880 7 MF
14. 119/OFV 2.38 1880 8 MF

1978 [35 Lots with Defects/Lot 15-49]
15. 15/AFK 1.83 1880 5 CBO
33. 412B/OFK 1.60 3950 10 Gas Escape
45 386B/OFK 2.50 2110 15 Blown Primer
20 Loose Primer
13 Gas Escape
1 Miss Fire
46 337B/OFK 2.20 2110 55 Blown Primer
35 Loose Primer
28 Gas Escape
5 Miss Fire
1979-26 Lots with Defects
1980-3 Lots with Defects
1981-19 Lots with Defects
1982-37 Lots with Defects
1983-10 Lots with Defects
1984-12 Lots with Defects
A total of 156 Lots. Problems included case rupture, chamber pressure, velocity,
with other lots I have not listed but are on my master list. 156 Line Items on 6
pages from Indian MOD.
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Old 07-14-2019, 07:49 AM
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Old 07-14-2019, 08:35 AM
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https://m14forum.com/ammunition/7205...ng-read-9.html

9 pages about indian ammo.
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Old 07-14-2019, 09:17 PM
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BobJ50 and old sagarand.

Thank you for the info and link.

I was given 3000 (+) rounds of this ammo. I have no intention of shooting it. I'm thinking of donating it to our local machine gun club because the do public shoots and allow folks, and especially kids, to shot their MGs. I was hoping to offset some of their costs. Having no experience with the ammo I was hoping to find out if it was safe for them to shoot before I gave it to them.

I will continue to see what I can find out about the ammo so that I can let them decide if they want to shoot it or possibility tear it down for the components.

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Old 07-14-2019, 09:55 PM
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I would tear it down for components
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:53 PM
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I would like to thank BobJ50 for going above and beyond answering my ammunition question.

In this forum, by PM, and through the mail, (he mailed to me an extensive ammo listing), he has helped me immensely with my ammo questions.

Thank you Bob you are a class act!
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Old 08-26-2019, 02:18 PM
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BobJ50 and old sagarand.

Thank you for the info and link.

I was given 3000 (+) rounds of this ammo. I have no intention of shooting it. I'm thinking of donating it to our local machine gun club because the do public shoots and allow folks, and especially kids, to shot their MGs. I was hoping to offset some of their costs. Having no experience with the ammo I was hoping to find out if it was safe for them to shoot before I gave it to them.

I will continue to see what I can find out about the ammo so that I can let them decide if they want to shoot it or possibility tear it down for the components.
I would not recommend giving it away! Due to reading about "squib" loads of this ammo this could severely damage the machine gun and cause possible injury. I bought about 400 rds of '94 OFV years ago. After reading about the problems, I broke the ammo down and reused the bullets and reloaded the brass.

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Old 08-26-2019, 07:35 PM
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The folks at our local machine gun club that I might give the ammo to will have the best info about it that I have accumulated. They are all very bright folks and will do what is safe. Most likely break it down for the components.

Ammunition and components in quantity can be very expensive to have shipped to AK due to weight and hazmat regulations. So we are always looking for deals for both.

I have found that about 99.9% of the people that have warned against using the specific ammo that I have do not have personal experience with the same ammo and fall into the "My friend's mother-in-law's first cousin, twice removed heard of some dude back about 10 years ago...". You get the idea.

What I have found so far by people that have actually shot this particular ammo, (same manufacture, same year or near same year manufactured), have very few issues with it. None that caused any damaged to firearms or them.

The Indian ammo from the same factory manufactured in the very late '70s through the 90's, (especially the 90s), seems, (as reported by the people that have actually shot the ammo), to be the ammo that has had issues. Some potentially very dangerous barrel blocking squibs that fortunately were caught before any damage was done.

Anyway, thanks to all that provided feedback and answered questions. All this will be passed on to the folks at our local machine gun club so that they can make an informed decision.

Respectfully.
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Old 08-30-2019, 01:08 AM
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There is a lot of very high quality ammunition made in many countries that I, and no one else for that matter, would ever drink the water from so that isn't a rule that stands for me at all. That's complete hogwash from my experience.

Surplus ammo from India and Pakistan from anytime during the 70s and early 80s is just fine (although Pakistan quality is definitely better than Indian). It is around the later 80s to 90s is when QC went off due to Britain not supervising them with manufacturing anymore and also because they were at war in the region.

I have a good bit of Pakistani POF 7.62 made in 1976 and 77 that shoots great. Good ignition right away and non-corrosive. Shoots just as good as brand new ammunition. Just a bit of tarnish on the brass is all. Great ammo that I definitely want to get more of at a later time when I get the chance. The best part is it was a great price and a lot of gun snobs won't touch it, and always bad mouth it, so the prices of it stays nice and low. The only negative is it is Brendan primed (though as mentioned non-corrosive) so reloading is not impossible but very impractical for most. The time spent to reload isn't worth it to me so it is a perfect win for me. The cool looking original surplus cans and their stenciling is a great bonus.
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