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Old 03-10-2018, 07:13 PM
Ham_Chu Ham_Chu is offline
 
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Default Recommended reading for EIC Pistol

OK, I started shooting this.

I am dry firing each night (~20 times) and have a 5lbs dumbell I hold in shooting position for 3-5 seconds at a time to build some stamina.

I went shooting yesterday, and 25 yds missed the target completely (just a repair center). Coming back to 12 yds I ripped the entire lower left corner out of the target (very consistently, I might add).

The standard 'pie chart' tells me I am 'tightening fingers' or 'jerking/slapping trigger.' I am looking for something that might help me with this, body position, practice drills etc...

Other than some very repetitive internet articles by Zins, is there a definitive book out there on how to do this?

Everything out there I find now basically says 'Find something that works and don't change.'

Thanx in advance
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Old 03-10-2018, 10:15 PM
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If you can find a copy or borrow a copy:
The Pistol Shooter's Treasury by Gil Hebard is the best reference for any pistol shooter.
A collection of articles by accomplished pistol shooters. Bullseye "heavy".
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Lots of good reading here: http://www.bullseyepistol.com/
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Old 03-14-2018, 07:59 PM
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Firstly, I don't find the "pie chart" to be all that good in determining what a shooter is doing wrong. The best thing is to do repeated dry firing followed by the "ball and dummy" drill. The name of the game is to exert proper trigger control so that the pistol doesn't move when the trigger is pulled. If you can master dry firing, then use the "ball and dummy"drill to determine if you are anticipating recoil. That is a very common problem with new pistol shooters and might explain your shooting low on the target. It is important to grip the pistol firmly and to pull the trigger with the correct part of your finger. Some say to pull the trigger with the tip of the finger or at the first joint but the correct place is where your finger needs to be to pull the trigger rearward without any induced side motion. I hope that helps you get started. Rick
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Old 03-14-2018, 08:50 PM
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Regarding the Circle of Misfortune and the Ball and Dummy Drill: those things tell you what you’re doing wrong, and they’re great for “ah-ha” moments, but they don’t necessarily tell you how to fix it. For example, if you’re heeling.....now what? Do you tell yourself to stop heeling? Can you will it to be so that way? I truly don’t know.

For whatever it’s worth, I’ve found that nothing beats dryfiring, not even live fire. It tells you how you’re shooting without the distraction of recoil. Focus on doing it right, not on what you might have been doing wrong. Dryfire a lot against a blank wall, even with a muzzle a few inches away from the wall to eliminate issues with focus (so you don’t get tired and focus in front of the front sight without realizing it). People use a lot of gimmicks, and they help a lot of shooters, so I won’t knock them, but I’m not sure they’re necessary. Weights? Your pistol is a weight. Lift it a lot. Dryfire a lot. If your trigger control is bad, change the grip a little. Experiment with trigger finger placement. That stuff is all shooter dependent.
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Old 03-14-2018, 09:36 PM
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For example, if you’re heeling.....now what? Do you tell yourself to stop heeling? Can you will it to be so that way? I truly don’t know.
Heeling is the result of changing one's grip pressure while pulling the trigger. That can be pretty easily cured in most cases by maintaining sufficient grip pressure. Those who start out with a light grip are far more susceptible to heeling.
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Old 03-14-2018, 11:17 PM
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I reread the OP and realized I blathered on about standard Bullseye tropes without addressing the question. As mentioned above, Gil Hebard’s “The Pistol Shooter’s Treasury” is the best resource, especially Blankenship’s article “The Great Game of Shooting”. The Army Marksmanship Unit puts out a book called “Advanced Pistol Guide” which is pretty good. CMP sells that in the E-Store for $7.30. They also sell “Mind Over Matter”, a 3 DVD set on Bullseye featuring AMU shooters. For a person brand new to Service Pistol the DVDs are actually quite good. There is also an older AMU book called “The Advanced Pistol Marksmanship Manual”.

Finally, everyone always cites AA Yur’yev’s “Competitive Shooting” for shooting. Like “Pistol Shooter’s Treasury” it’s out of print, but if you can find a copy for a reasonable price, it’s worth it. It’s geared toward International style shooting, as is the newer “Pistol Shooting: The Olympic Disciplines” by Reinkemeier and Buhlmann.

Honestly, for Service Pistol I’d just stick with the AMU book from CMP and maybe Hebard’s book, which is actually just a compilation of articles from his old gunshop catalog. Unfortunately after Gil passed away and all the old stock was sold the book became unavailable and now goes for crazy prices.
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Old 03-15-2018, 07:51 PM
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Thanx.....I'm looking them up now.

Much appreciated
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Old 03-20-2018, 08:03 AM
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Brian Zins has a series of videos on YouTube that are fairly recent and full of the same information he puts out in his clinics. Very good in my opinion.
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