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Old 11-03-2011, 08:45 PM
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Default 1909 "timed fire"?

Back in the day (1909) I find a term referenced in many places that refers to "timed fire" when firing the "new Springfield" rifle in the Army rifle qualification course. Does anyone know what this actually means?

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Old 11-11-2011, 10:19 PM
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Perhaps it was similar to what the differnce in timed and rapid fire is in Bullseye pistol competition today.
Timed fire is five shots in twenty seconds and rapid fire is five shots in ten seconds.
In slow fire you get one minute for each shot.
Obviously, no one is still around from back in the day, but I bet someone has a rule book. The hard part is identifying that lucky person.
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Old 11-11-2011, 10:55 PM
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In the early competitions with the 1903 Springfield, the line would load and fire five shots in a specified time. They would then load the second five in a completely different string and fire those. They had not started using the stripper clip in any fashion at that time. The act of loading five, shooting and then loading five again with stripper clips in the same string did not occur until after 1909 from what I've read on the subject.

As far as what they mean by timed fire in the 1909 manual, I need to do more research.
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Old 11-12-2011, 12:35 AM
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I believe "timed fire" is 5 shots in 30 seconds from position. I have carefully read and digested this old manual; http://www.archive.org/details/usmar...ssco00harlrich it is amazing.
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Old 11-12-2011, 01:16 AM
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I haven't shot in competition in a lot of years, but this is the way we used to shoot:

SLOW FIRE = 1 shot in 60 seconds

TIMED FIRE = 5 shots in 20 seconds

RAPID FIRE = 5 shots in 10 seconds

AS best as I can remember, it was the same for rifle & pistol. For reasons I could never figure out, my scores were always better in TIMED FIRE.
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Old 11-12-2011, 01:53 PM
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On page 11 in the 1911 edition of the Marine Corps Riflemans Score book states rapid fire 5 shots in 30 seconds (expert course of fire0, and 20 seconds (marksmans course of fire). At 200 yards standing to kneeling. That is pretty fast indeed.
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