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Old 10-21-2018, 08:03 AM
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IIRC, the Weaver K2.5 was an issue item in the '60s for the M1D and probably the M1903A4.
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Old 10-21-2018, 10:51 AM
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IIRC, the Weaver K2.5 was an issue item in the '60s for the M1D and probably the M1903A4.
New guy to all this, but isn't the cutoff 1953?
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Old 10-21-2018, 12:25 PM
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New guy to all this, but isn't the cutoff 1953?
Yes, the cut off is 1953. Weaver K4-60's were used on M1D's in the late 60's but there is no evidence I can find that indicates that the same scopes were ever officially installed on M1903A4's. The 1970 TM indicates that at that point in time the official scope for the M1903A4 was the M84 2.2X scope.
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Old 10-25-2018, 02:27 PM
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Yes, the cut off is 1953. Weaver K4-60's were used on M1D's in the late 60's but there is no evidence I can find that indicates that the same scopes were ever officially installed on M1903A4's. The 1970 TM indicates that at that point in time the official scope for the M1903A4 was the M84 2.2X scope.
The USMC museum has a few 03A4s with with Weaver K4s
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Old 10-25-2018, 04:08 PM
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The USMC museum has a few 03A4s with with Weaver K4s
Maybe the curators don't always get everything correct. Here's a picture of a USMC Sniper Rifle in the Museum. The scope appears to have modern mounts and a 1" tube.

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Old 10-25-2018, 07:29 PM
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Maybe the curators don't always get everything correct. Here's a picture of a USMC Sniper Rifle in the Museum. The scope appears to have modern mounts and a 1" tube.

I'm positive they have at least 1 correct USMC M1941 8x Unertl...whether its the one on display or not I don't know.
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Old 10-25-2018, 09:13 PM
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I believe those are Lyman mounts, not unertl mounts. It looks like a 3/4" tube to me.

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Old 10-25-2018, 09:59 PM
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It's a real Unertl 1 1/4'' with lyman mounts as Neil said.

The USMC Unertls were those, but they made them commercially too. Without seeing the serial and rollmark it's impossible to say. Though I do believe it to be a real scope most likely.

The Marine museum has a lot of rifles that have been messed with, including at least one of the Unertl rifles.

For instance, they have Smith Corona 03A3's that are drilled and tapped and made into 03A4's. Did the Marines do that, or did they build them for some display for the museum at some time?

Personally everything I have seen of the Marine Museum, you can't rely too much on what is, or isn't correct by what is there.

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Maybe the curators don't always get everything correct. Here's a picture of a USMC Sniper Rifle in the Museum. The scope appears to have modern mounts and a 1" tube.


By the way you are sort of correct. The Chinese scopes copied the Lyman mounts. So that is why in this pic they look modern to you.

The Chinese didn't copy the right Unertl mounts. They copied the lyman ones.

Also they didn't copy the correct 1 1/4'' Unertl. They copied a 1'' Target.

The chinese copied the wrong scope, and the wrong mounts....

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Old 10-26-2018, 05:58 AM
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I appreciate the correction and most importantly, the education - thanks!

The museum, when it opened, had period correct weapons displayed. Some asshat, right after the museum opened, came in and took out all the Garand trigger groups, marched them up to the curators and told them they had a problem. Instead of beating him and throwing him in jail, they replaced a lot of the "open" weapons with plastic replicas and locked down others.

The historians took great pains to get things correct. They sent people to the beach at Tarawa who took castings of the wall, which they used to accurately recreate the scene in the diorama. They also littered the "beach" with period correct expended rounds.

Sorry for the thread derail, somewhat back to normal programming with one of many nice finds in the museum:

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Old 10-26-2018, 06:43 AM
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The scopes that I can document that the Marines trialed on the M1903's for the sniper trial when they chose the Unertl.

12X Lyman Supertargetspot
Lyman 8X Junior Target spot
Weaver 330 (but they did buy some 440's too)
Lyman 5A/WRA A5


If I was trying for the vintage matches, I would really try to see if I could petition them to allow the 12X Supertargetspot. There are a lot of those floating around and usually around the $500 price.

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That would be a neat one to own wouldn't it?

I wonder when they got it. I know I have the document of the first M1903 they received and if I remember right it's a 4 digit.

So I would be curious how it came to be in the museum. The Marines were sort of late to the M1903 game, with only receiving their first large shipment in 1910. They did get a small shipment of NM's in 1909, but the first large purchase was in 1910.

I would love to know what that receiver might have seen.

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