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Old 05-09-2019, 11:00 AM
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Directly from Winchester Customer Service.

Submission Date: 5/9/2019 3:36:47 PM

Question: Hello, I have a question on the 30-06 Victory Series ammunition. Is it loaded to safe level for M1 Garand? I have seen different opinions on this. Thank you

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This product was desinged for the use in the M1 Garand. It can also be used in any firearm chambered for .30-06 Springfield.
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Old 05-09-2019, 03:45 PM
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I literally supplied them with Winchester Garands to develop and test this ammo so I can’t understand why it wouldn’t be safe to shoot.
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Old 05-09-2019, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mnhusker View Post
Gary James is usually very good with his vintage rifle articles but when I read this one on ammunition I was disappointed.

He did not go the distance and find out what powder Winchester is using for the Victory ammunition as this and not the amount is the critical issue for the "Garand safe issue".

If the powder is in the correct burn rate for the rifle (4064, H4895, etc) then all is well. If slower or faster then Gary is correct and the ammunition should be for other 30-06 applications.

Also surprised Winchester has not made this clear (or maybe they have and I just don't know it).

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Old 05-09-2019, 04:28 PM
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I literally supplied them with Winchester Garands to develop and test this ammo so I can’t understand why it wouldn’t be safe to shoot.
Curious as to why that would be necessary.

I had Garand specific loads ready off my loading bench before my first CMP rifle arrived.

If I can do it with literally 30 minutes research how is this a challenge to the Winchester/Olin Cartridge Company with their endless ballistic resources, pressure trace guns, etc?

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Old 05-09-2019, 05:02 PM
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Not sure. All I know is they contacted me and asked for Garands, carbines, and 1911’s (Colts of course) and gave a credit card number and said start sending them. So I did. I suspect it wasn’t really for development, but rather for show. I did see several magazine articles after the SHOT show for media day and all the magazines were ecstatic saying oh my they even are using real Winchester Garands.
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Old 05-09-2019, 05:17 PM
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Interesting.

Lesson in the power of a trademark isn't it?
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Old 05-09-2019, 07:27 PM
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Default Winchester Victory ammo.

I do like the 12 gauge WWII brass case loads with 00 buck shot and would buy some when and where they show up..
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Old 05-09-2019, 09:55 PM
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I don't think the ball power is a issue. I bought hundreds of rounds of I think LC72 from CMP. It was loaded with 55-56 grains of ball powder. I would guess WC852. It seemed hotter than 4895 loaded ammo.
I am also pretty sure CMP sent some out to be tested to make sure it was ok for M1s.
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Old 05-10-2019, 02:02 PM
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The author is wrong....plenty of military m2 ball goes that fast with that much powder.

He did a poor comparison with minimal testing.
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Old 07-06-2019, 03:00 PM
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Isn't it a 150 grain bullet? I would argue it's impossible to damage an inspec, well lubricated M-1 with and 150 grain load that is in spec for the cartridge.

Some may argue against my opinion which is fine.

You could always contact the manufacturer to be safe.
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