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Old 03-05-2021, 10:53 AM
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I sent in a packet for round two and I am looking forward to the opportunity to possibly own a piece of USGI history. I am pretty new to the M1911 and M1911 A1 game, but have learned a lot by reading the forum. Thanks for all the information that had been shared.

Now my questions:

I understand the CMP sales are for pistols with frames manufactured between 1911 and 1945. Are those the only frames being sold off by CMP, or are those the only frames ever manufactured for the Government? Were no service M1911 A1 service pistol frames made after 1945?

I am surprised that some of these CMP pistols have been rebuilt (sometimes multiple times) with older frames. Didn't the frames ever wear out? It seems like the frame must be the most durable part of the pistol. Is that true? Thanks for any constructive answers. I'm just trying to increase my knowledge. FBN
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Old 03-05-2021, 11:04 AM
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Others will post:
With the end of WW2, there were no more service M1911 contracts.
So 1945 was it.

From the Military POV, a serviceable frame or part is serviceable.
It is used or rebuilt until worn out.
Then replaced.
Yes, frames can wear out or be damaged.
Those are destroyed.
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Old 03-05-2021, 12:14 PM
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Pretty well sums it up.
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Old 03-06-2021, 10:53 PM
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The slide or upper receiver is very durable as well, but since it surrounds the frame or lower receiver, it takes most of the knocks and scrapes.



The slide is also more vulnerable to being damaged by a bad round.
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Old 03-07-2021, 08:16 AM
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It is true that no frames were made after 1945....

However, just about every other part was made for decades afterwards.

Slides, Barrels, etc...

I’ve seen many a CMP 1911 be received with a high percentage of 70s and 80s parts.
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Old 03-08-2021, 10:21 AM
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There was a 1911 on the CMP auction site a month or 2 back with the frame not I..D.ed, unknown manufacturer. After market, experimental?
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Old 03-08-2021, 11:51 AM
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There was a 1911 on the CMP auction site a month or 2 back with the frame not I..D.ed, unknown manufacturer. After market, experimental?
There were a few of those actually. I got the one with the Ithica slide. It turns out the slide is a very early Ithica slide that had the name and address stamped on the wrong side, it was flip flopped and the frame turns out to be a old colt with the hart shipped cut outs on the side panels. Very interesting gun with all Ithica 1943 parts. I really love that gun. It's a keeper for sure.
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Old 03-08-2021, 12:06 PM
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There was a 1911 on the CMP auction site a month or 2 back with the frame not I..D.ed, unknown manufacturer. After market, experimental?
There were some X-prefix pistols sold.....those were stolen and recovered guns that had their serial numbers defaced, so they received new ones.

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Old 03-08-2021, 04:00 PM
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There were some X-prefix pistols sold.....those were stolen and recovered guns that had their serial numbers defaced, so they received new ones.

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Where did you get that information at? From the research I have done was that those slides are Colt and they didn't put serial numbers on them because they used for replacement and didn't know exactly where they would go. Once destination was known they would be shipped out and the depot would put the prefix on there with a 3 digit number. A lot of these went on Ithica slides.
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Old 03-08-2021, 04:47 PM
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Where did you get that information at? From the research I have done was that those slides are Colt and they didn't put serial numbers on them because they used for replacement and didn't know exactly where they would go. Once destination was known they would be shipped out and the depot would put the prefix on there with a 3 digit number. A lot of these went on Ithica slides.
I might be conflating the two different X-series pistols now that you mention it. Meadows Volume 3 (Page 16) discusses renumbering of defaced pistols X1000-X4385 (1924-1953). Sorry to confuse the issue.

ETA—Also Clawson discusses X-Series pistols in Appendix F of the Big Book (Page 417).

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