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Old 12-03-2015, 03:38 PM
aggarandise aggarandise is offline
 
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This is a pic of my dad in Navy basic training in Nov 1940. He has a 1903, but I don't know enough about them to tell a manufacturer or approximate manufacture date. I know enough that it's an 03 and not an 03A3. "S" stock? It also looks like it has a front sight cover. I'd imagine it isn't anything too new since it was used for training. I want to get one like it.

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Old 12-03-2015, 03:48 PM
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I would say anywhere between mid 1917 to late 1919 by the way it appears. No telling if that swept back bolt replaced a straight handled bolt.


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Old 12-03-2015, 04:04 PM
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Was the swept back bolt earlier or later?
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Old 12-03-2015, 04:41 PM
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Swept back bolts came into being in very late 1918 or early 1919 I believe. In that window.
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Old 12-03-2015, 05:18 PM
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So, upon thinking about it more, I've readjusted the time frame to between April 1917 to late 1919 and I would feel comfortable in saying that if the rifle is all correct and is a crisp unaltered example, the 1903 your father is holding was made in 1919.
Just my estimation. Others might differ

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Old 12-03-2015, 06:22 PM
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FredG, thanks for the analysis! That's a lot more specific than I had dreamed.
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Old 12-03-2015, 06:24 PM
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I can tell you this, it isn't one of the Navy's 1917 US Training Rifles.
My 1918 1903 has the slightly sweptback bolt but then it is a R-P marked one so it is likely post the time that your picture is.
Here are three of mine. Top is 1918 SA 1903. Middle is 1943 SC 1903A3. Bottom is 1917 Navy US Training Rifle.
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Old 12-03-2015, 06:48 PM
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It definitely looks more like your top one than the bottom one. The bottom one doesn't have the same band and it doesn't have a band spring. Any way to tell if it's an SA or an RIA? It looks like SA made a bunch more than RIA in 1919, so odds are SA?
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Old 12-03-2015, 07:36 PM
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The bottom rifle has a fake rear sight and a 1917 rear band as well as a made up stock and hand guard and there's something different about the trigger guard that indicates it isn't for a 1903. That's because it's a Training rifle that wasn't meant to operate like a real rifle. It IS an interesting variation!

The top rifle has what appears to be a WWII rear sight slide locking knob. The bolt is swept,
The hand guard is a convex type that is from some years after WWI. The bolt sleeve appears to me to be grey parkerized.
Rock island rear sight leaves have straight legs on their 7's, springfield's have curved. Rock island stocks have different stamps of course on metal and wood than Springfields and their front bands have no "H" stamped on their bayonet lug. Different stamps on their bolts and barrels of course too. No way to tell Any of that from your photo.

That is a Nice 1903A3!

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Old 12-03-2015, 08:38 PM
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Thanks again. I've got four 03A3s and a sporter 03 dad left me. I like these guns a lot. Is there a good reference book around?
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