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Old 10-16-2019, 06:06 PM
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I shot a .22LR 40XB heavy barrel for 4 years on my University ROTC rifle team in in 25yd 3P competition. Used a GI green canvas shooting coat, leather weak hand shooting glove, adjustable hook butt plate, and M1907 leather sling sections. We only used half of the slings and hooked into the rail mounted front hand stop.

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Substitute Win 52D for 40XB and you have me in '83-'84 at college. There were a couple of Kenyon and Canjar triggers mixed in there on a few of the rifles.
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Old 10-17-2019, 08:52 AM
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I used to shoot my 40-X HB & Wra 52D the same way as you guys did. However I retired them when I started using my 40=X USMC with the normal profile barrel. It weights less and as I got older it was easier to hold my position.
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:15 PM
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I shot on my high school ROTC rifle team back in 1961-1962. We shot 4 positions. Prone, sitting, kneeling and standing using mostly 40-XS standard barrel and we had one 40-XH heavy barrel rifles based, I believe, on the early Rem 721 receivers. The 40-XS was better for position matches because of the lighter weight but the 40-XH was not that much more difficult to use when shooting all positions except for Standing, it tended to tyre your arms and back in the standing position. We used a shooting Coat, a tight sling in all positions and added a palm rest for the standing positions. Those 40-X rifles were, I believe the most accurate rifles I have ever fired.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:09 PM
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I've shot both the Remington 40X and Winchester 52c in competition. Both are fine rifles, but I always found the stock on the Winchester a better fit. My 52C has a bull barrel and is very heavy especially when used with a 2 inch Unertl, but I still won a state championship with it.
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Old 10-18-2019, 07:12 PM
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Default 40x

One helpful feature of the 40X is the buttstock with a fairly high comb and a noticeable angle to the butt which, when in position, keeps the butt from sliding down on the shoulder.
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Old 10-20-2019, 09:08 PM
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For reference, I am referring to the 40-XB heavy barrel (700 action) rifle... Today, shooters will tell you that the 40-X is nothing more than a bench gun. Due to the size and weight, it is not recommended for positional disciplines like prone, sitting or standing.

So back in the day, how was the 40-X utilized?
Whoever would say that those rifles were intended for bench shooting is full of it, and in fact, I consider it to be an insult to the legacy of those rifles to be seen languishing on some "shooter's" bench.
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Old 10-21-2019, 03:36 AM
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Default 40X Heavy Barrel

While it is heavy, weighing in at about 11 1/2 pounds, the Anschutz 1413 Free Rifle, a contemporary of the 40X weighs 13 1/2 pounds and is regularly used in position matches.
Those who claim the 40X is too heavy are not familiar with hardcore position shooters....
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Old 12-26-2019, 02:00 PM
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Early 1960s shot on college team 3 pos. Used 52b,52c irons, I had a flip down hook, a palm rest that engaged the clip slot, and I put a 1 lb wt on the standard weight bbl. Course of fire was only 30 shots total, not like today which is isu style- lot of shots and lot of time + air rifle course . Top league shooter was woman(only one) , she used Walther KKM. with adj hook and palm rest. Basically like an Anschutz 1413. The 52 stocks were for prone but everybody forced them into 3 pos role.No scopes were used in this 50 ft indoor comp. intercollegiate league and , of course, none today . We used floppy, sloppy canvas 10X shooting coats. In 1963, Jim Miller bought his own 52D.



Coaches were ROTC staff . The coaching consisted of them using the spotting scope and telling you that you had a scratch 9 at 4:00. Akron Univ (OHIO) had the best team then and now. I went to Kent State. Later on there were protests and the ROTC bldg was burned and that was that for the indoor rifle range. and the rifle program. Kudos to Akron.
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Old 03-26-2020, 07:44 AM
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As I am seriously looking for a precision rimfire rifle, in either the 40XB (700 action), Kimber 82G, and possibly an H&R M12, I am glad to read, from these shared stories, that these rifles can be shot as intended; in smallbore prone/competition events. I love reading these!
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Old 03-27-2020, 05:09 AM
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Default Offhand-ie standing: Technique, comments,the 60s

With a heavy rifle, a hook is really needed at the butt of rifle for offhand, also kneeling. Prone: A mini hook is nice.


Depending on shooter conformation and that of rifle, may need a palm rest or a block of wood just forward of trigger guard.


Balance: Hip goes forward, back slants back, head is upright, rifle may be canted for better head position.


Some rifle actions were preferred because bolt handle and loading port were closer to shooter's hand and did not have to break position.


Heavy rifles are advantageous to a point. Too heavy and the untrained and out of shape have difficulty. Most match rifles, bolt and ar15 are very heavy. The isu free rifle limit was ifrc about 16 or 17 lbs.


Trigger pull wt in the 60s was 3 lbs. Pull was weighed before every match. Now: 2 to 8 oz.


The only guidance on technique I received was observing a few shooters and a few American Rifleman articles on position shooting by Gary Andersen -only a page or two. I did not even know about point of aim-point of impact-to my severe detriment. At a Michigan, intercollegiate, I took 10th place with a 281 on the old standard 50 ft. target. I managed that with a 99 kneeling and a bad prone score (poa-poi). The winner ifrc was in very low 290s. Well, there were many great shooters-military and civilian
, with good technique and equipment. I was not exposed to that tho. Now , kids-young and old- go to soccer and baseball and basketball camps. Times change. Techniques and equipment change. And the prices for all that.
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