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Old 10-15-2018, 04:57 PM
BubbaTheKid BubbaTheKid is offline
 
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Have decided it is time to reload all of My 7.62x51 LC & 7.62x63 HXP Brass. I inherited My Dad's maual's and equipment. I bought 5# or 6# of Varget during the Obama years, as well as CCI Large Rifle Primers and some bulk 150gr. FMJ slugs. I'm really looking to come up with several hundred plinking ammo for casual range sessions. I have been full length resizing, cutting to 2.484 trim length and doing primer pockets unifrom to just under .1320 SAAMI, my Primers are seating just below flush. Looking for mid-range velocity based on the Service Rifle Specs in My Manual: Hornady 5th Edition.

In doing this I have become aware of the Zedinker M14 articles and the collective's debate on Varget in M14 & M1, however, alot of that debate seems old, out dated and more geared toward heavier slugs for long range. I'm wondering where the current school of thought is. I'm going to shoot these out of James River Armory 19.5" Barrel M14 & CMP Service Grade M1.

I'm leaning toward using the Varget for M1 and getting H4895 for the M14. I'd probably end up going with H4895 going forward for both after I use up the Varget.

Anyway, open to thoughts & suggestions, thanks.

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Old 10-15-2018, 05:09 PM
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When Varget first came out it was said that the burn rate and pressure curve was the same as IMR 4064. I contacted Hodgdon about this and was told by them that Varget and 4064 for all practical purposes was the same in all respects. Varget was just not as sensitive to temperature.
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Old 10-15-2018, 05:25 PM
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Just my experience but I find Varget to be more temperature sensitive than IMR 4064
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Old 10-15-2018, 06:11 PM
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Varget is an excellent powder in M1's, (both 308 and 30-06) ... likewise in the M14.
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Old 10-15-2018, 08:19 PM
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You can't go wrong with 4064, but there is nothing wrong with Varget. Federal loaded some lots of M118LR ammo with Varget. M118LR is hot, and not for gas guns. But in lighter loads, Varget is just fine.
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Old 10-15-2018, 08:53 PM
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Who cares about the metering.
I use a RCBS Charge Master 1500 while watching TV.
It beeps. Look at the scale. If it is more than 0.1gr high I just dump
it back in the hopper. At the worst, maybe 20% get recycled.
I use mostly IMR 4064 and Varget with no problems.
When I finish 50 rounds, I recalibrate, check the 1st, 25th and 50th loads.
Never had a problem with the weights.

And just today, chrono'd some of my 308 loads for my CMP 308 Garand
150gr Hornady, 43gr IMR 4064, Lake City pulled brass with original primers
2665 fps
2630 fps
2672 fps
2636 fps
2631 fps

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Old 11-09-2018, 07:37 PM
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Who cares about the metering.
I use a RCBS Charge Master 1500 while watching TV.
It beeps. Look at the scale. If it is more than 0.1gr high I just dump
it back in the hopper. At the worst, maybe 20% get recycled.
I use mostly IMR 4064 and Varget with no problems.
When I finish 50 rounds, I recalibrate, check the 1st, 25th and 50th loads.
Never had a problem with the weights.

And just today, chrono'd some of my 308 loads for my CMP 308 Garand
150gr Hornady, 43gr IMR 4064, Lake City pulled brass with original primers
2665 fps
2630 fps
2672 fps
2636 fps
2631 fps
I had to look and see if I posted that on a night I took Ambien and did not remember doing so. !00% Same thing I do.
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Old 10-16-2018, 04:42 AM
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Varget works for me on both .308 and 06.
36 - 47 with 150 fmg in .308
44 - 51.5 for 150 fmg in .30-06
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Old 10-16-2018, 11:19 AM
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Varget works for me on both .308 and 06.
36 - 47 with 150 fmg in .308
44 - 51.5 for 150 fmg in .30-06
I've got Hornady 5th Edition which lists Service Rifle data. Thanks for chiming in here, I was hesitant to bring this up on the M14 Forum, that segment of the collective can be a bit rigid, which is well and good. The JRA/Bula OpRod seems alot more beefie than the M1a, not that I plan to hot rod these loads, I'm just looking to punch paper at 100-200 and the occasional plinking pit.

In all honesty, I would liek to work up a 165gr soft point for the JRA/Bula Para 19.5" for "hunting". That and I'd like to have some excellent hand loads to take to the range to rook friends & family. You know, give My brother a mag of CBC M80 and then clean the target with hand loads...

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Old 10-16-2018, 11:48 PM
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Varget works for me on both .308 and 06.
36 - 47 with 150 fmg in .308
44 - 51.5 for 150 fmg in .30-06
47 grains in the .308 is two grains over the max recommended by Hornady for bolt guns.
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