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Old 10-06-2017, 07:39 PM
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I had been wondering the same thing as the OP for myself. Ended up buying a G96/11.

The main reason was because one was available for a good price. I would not go searching for a K31. Because you will then be having to search for GP11, chargers, front sight tool, etc... That being said if you saw one for a decent price I'd snatch it up.

With the 1903 (and it's variants) domestically produced it will be much easier to find parts and ammo here in the US. However, if you do end up getting the K31 there Is also a small handful of clubs in the US that hold Swiss sanctioned 300m matches to their courses of fire, and if you score high enough you can earn certificates or medals from the Swiss Government.
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Old 10-09-2017, 10:12 PM
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Both can be reloaded for great competition accuracy. Both require practice for CMP games competition. Accuracy is as much shooter as rifle. Whichever you get practicing will make games fun. I've shot both and prefer the 03A3 with 135 SIE match bullet. K-31 used 110 Hornady
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Old 10-11-2017, 11:25 PM
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As eluded to above, if you want to shoot both Vintage and Springfield, you will need 2 rifles. A good Springfield will shoot well, as will a good M1917, Swedish M96, K-31 and G11, K11, and 96/11. This is the short list for top vintage rifles. I have fired K-31s, G11s, and M96s in mixed vintage/Garand/Springfield matches and they were competitive with the top shooters regardless of rifle when I was one of the top shooters. All will get it done if the guy squeezing the trigger is up to the task. Of the 2 Swiss and one Swedish model I shoot, all will easily and consistently shoot a high silver cut score if I don't make any serious mistakes. Will all shoot into the gold if I make no mistakes.

Regarding ammunition... the K-31 and other Swiss rifles utilize standard .308 bullets. Brass is readily available from PRVI and it is quality brass. Once you figure out the COL, it is easy to reload for and brass life is excellent. Mine does well with 155 gr Nosler match bullets to 300m, as do my other Swiss rifles.

If you are limited to factory ammunition only, the M17 or M96 Swede are your best bet. Quality ammo is available for the K-31 (GP11 is excellent but IMHO not near the legendary status some would give it), but rapidly disappearing. Match grade ammo is available in 6.5x55 and 30-06 for the other 2 options.

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Old 10-28-2017, 10:07 PM
Greg Ficklin Greg Ficklin is offline
 
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To get the most out of the games matches you need at least 3 of the four rifles for the three gun aggregate. Add the MM and you are in the 4 gun aggregate. With all the guns you can be a donor to help others get in the aggregates. The CMP designed the games to encourage sharing, by not requiring any particular order to fire in the aggregates. For Vintage the k31 is tops, followed closely by the the Swede. You need trigger work on the 1917 to get close to those. For Springfield the nod goes to the A3, as they are known to be spindle splitters. For JCG any 30/06 M1 with a fresh tight stock. For MM any A2/A3 AR that makes the weight gives a huge advantage over any Cat B rifle.
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Old 10-29-2017, 09:48 AM
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My experience is different. Currently my 1917 is my best rifle in the 3 gun ag. I can clean the SP and have cleaned the RP with it. After trying too many 17s to keep track of; I have never worked on the triggers. Typically they have a very long first stage and a good, crisp second stage release. Never used my K31 much. The open, no windage sight and unique cartridge work against it, IMO. They are fast when working properly and do have a deserved following. The Swede is a fine rifle, probably the most inherently accurate of the vintage bolts, but sling tension issues, the standard Mauser sights and straight bolt detract. Again, it has a deserved folowing. Unfortunately, match results generally do not list the specific rifle used. It really comes back to the shooter and their own experiences and choice. We are fortunate to have so many good choices in vintage class. I didn't mention the Arisaka, but I did medal once at CP with my grandfather's Lebel.... Good Shooting. ...
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Old 12-24-2017, 07:23 AM
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For vintage I like the 17 even with the long first stage trigger pull as mentioned above but shoot my Swede M96 mostly. Played around some with my type 99 Arisaka's and could never get a feel for a Nagant, I have a few Enfields that shoot pretty well but the Swede is the most accurate for me anyway

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Old 01-04-2018, 07:54 PM
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Pretty sure a K31 set a record this past year at Camp Perry in the vintage bolt match.

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Old 01-05-2018, 09:13 AM
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I typically shoot the m1, 03a3, 1917, and Modern Military for Games matches. All shoot great and have won me several 3-gun Agg matches and individual matches. Each of these rifles will easily clean a 200yd target with good x-count.

A bud offered me his k31 to shoot. Said i could have it if I liked it. As hard as i tried I just couldn't shoot it worth flip. I REALLY wanted to like that gun. The rear sight and I just couldn't get along. He shot it and could shoot crazy small groups with it. It was ALL on me. I suck...

Ideally, if you can swing buying both, that's the thing to do. Not everyone can or wants to. Out of all of my wood guns, I think my 1917 shoots the best.

I shoot the same 125gr TNT load in each. The main reason is THEY HAMMER at 200yds.

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Old 01-05-2018, 09:13 AM
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Quote:
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Pretty sure a K31 set a record this past year at Camp Perry in the vintage bolt match.

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The record was broken twice that day both times were K31's
Sammy had the record by x count for 30 minutes, also broke the junior record but can't claim it since he's on a military shooting team.

He was using my rifle and handloads, funny part was he had to google what a k31 was. He fired 35 rounds that day (left handed) with no prior handling of it.
I asked if he wanted to take it home and practice, "No, I just would like to borrow it again at Perry next year"

Sammy is also trying to break Dennis Demille's 03A3 record, he missed it by 1 point in 2017
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Old 01-05-2018, 09:46 AM
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Sammy broke one of my National Records. What are we gonna do with that kid???

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