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Old 01-07-2017, 11:54 PM
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Now that 9mm is legal, I imagine a 1911 in 9mm would have an advantage over a 45 in rapids. Would anyone now recommend a range officer in 9mm as a competitive pistol?
Sure, that would be a fine choice. Frankly though, most of the allowed pistols are capable of getting EIC points. I think we overemphasize the importance of equipment for new Service Pistol shooters.

Look at it this way: a score of 270 will get EIC points 99% of the time. Under NRA rules we would classify that as barely an Expert score, which is not objectively a very good score. Most of the time EIC points are issued for Marksman and Sharpshooter scores, which are even worse. I don't mean to denegrate them at all since they are winning scores-- I only mean to point out that with winning scores that low the mechanical accuracy of the pistol becomes less important. The mindset and the training of the shooter, as always, trump everything.
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Old 01-08-2017, 08:58 AM
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They also approved plated bullets which, of course, can be loaded at lead bullet velocities, which advantages the .45 ACP in the timed/rapid stages.

Would I recommend the RO in 9mm; probably not, but that's just my opinion. Not because of the pistol, I'm just not a fan of the 9mm for Bullseye.

As bmp32 points out, the shooter makes the difference, not the pistol. Pick something and stick with it. Getting pistol distinguished is supposed to be hard, not easy. The CMP isn't making it easier by adding pistols THEY think are competitive.
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Old 01-09-2017, 07:31 AM
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CDRT: Where did you find the information on Plated Bullets. I would like to try them. Thanks, Bruce J.
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Old 01-09-2017, 07:59 AM
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CDRT: Where did you find the information on Plated Bullets. I would like to try them. Thanks, Bruce J.
It's in the new 2017 rule book on page 43 under Ammunition.

a) Service Pistol. Service Pistol competitors may use any safe ammunition that is loaded with metal-jacketed or metal-plated bullets. Non-jacketed, wad-cutter or lead bullets may not be used.
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Old 01-09-2017, 08:56 AM
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Boy have things changed. In the early 1970s, I shot a 284 at All Army and did not make the cut off.
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Old 02-04-2017, 05:11 PM
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I've actually tried plated 9mm bullets in my Model 39-2 and they load and shoot well. Never tried them in my F.Bob Chow hardball 1911.
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Old 02-05-2017, 02:21 PM
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Now that 9mm is legal, I imagine a 1911 in 9mm would have an advantage over a 45 in rapids. Would anyone now recommend a range officer in 9mm as a competitive pistol?


Unless they changed the rules again to allow 9mm 1911's, they are a no go.


I asked them the 9mm 1911 question when they allowed all other guns, and you could use any 1911 as long as it was in .45. The allowing all other guns, but disallowing the 9mm 1911 was BS. If you make the case for all the other allowed pistols being used in some sort of military or police capacity, you could have argued the case for 9mm.


While the 9mm 1911 might never have been used in an official capacity, the .38 Super was. Used by the Feds.
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Old 02-05-2017, 02:29 PM
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The 2017 rules allow 9mm 1911s. The 2016 rules did not.
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Old 02-05-2017, 04:26 PM
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The 2017 rules allow 9mm 1911s. The 2016 rules did not.
Just to be more specific, it allows for any 1911 between caliber 9 mm and .45 ACP, which would include the .38 Super. 1911's in .38 Special would not be allowed since they could only shoot full wadcutter bullets, which are not allowed.
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Old 02-05-2017, 10:51 PM
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Good to know.Thank you.
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