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Old 01-21-2013, 12:48 PM
oldNJshooter oldNJshooter is offline
 
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IMR 4895 has always been a "standard" by which all '06 loads have been judged, especially for the Garand.

I found that Accurate 2495 is a good substitute when IMR 4895 isn't available in my Garands with 168 gr. Sierra MK bullets.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:32 AM
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I have tested just about every garand safe powder out there in my garands and found that imr 4064 works better then most of the powders out there. 4064 would be my first choice. However, I tested varget and found that varget produced groups about .1 in larger at 100 yards then the 4064. Being that .1 out of a garand doesn't mean much, and my M1a LOVES varget, I am switching to varget as my go to powder for both the garand and M1a.

I have found that I get to M2 ball specs much faster then going up to 50 grs of powder in my testing. Maybe my chrono runs fast but I would work up slowly and carefully if you wanted to get to 50 with the above mentioned powders. I find that most of my loads shoot well in the 46-48 gr range.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:53 AM
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How suitable are 844 or rl15. I've seen loads for 15 but it is usually for heavies 168-175 I plan to stay around 150 and try a few of the 110-125 pet loads that larry and cresco talk about.

Problem is one powder is hard to find right now and two can't buy bulk where I am. I found a place that has rl15 for 15 lb which is half price for me and 844 for 7 a lb. Which would be a huge savings for me. Ill also be loading 223 and 308 and have some 4895. Should I just buy the 844 and use it in my 223 and save my 4895 for my m1?

I want to reload more but the prices are killing me as no one will ship to my state to due to legal issues.

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Old 01-30-2013, 02:23 PM
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I have some surp R15 but have not used it enough to provide any real infomation. It is on the slow side of M1 powders, according to burning charts. Since your interest is in lite bullets, 4895 is a good choice as it functions well with reduced loads. If IMR3031 is available, it too works very well in M1 lite bullet loads. Good Shooting......
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:31 PM
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Unfortunately all that I can seem to find is 820 844 and rl 15.

I think I may just buy a handful of 844 and only use my 4895 for the M1.

844 is only 7-8 lb from where I found it so its worth a try in my ar at least.
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Old 01-31-2013, 12:32 AM
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Unfortunately all that I can seem to find is 820 844 and rl 15.

I think I may just buy a handful of 844 and only use my 4895 for the M1.

844 is only 7-8 lb from where I found it so its worth a try in my ar at least.
844 works very well in 223. tried it in a garand once. wont be doing it again. I had a huge muzzle flash. more like a small ball of flame that I could see in daylight. Not sure why but it did this but I didn't try any more.

Keep the 844 in the smaller cases. BTW the price you found it for is a smoking deal. Most of the time, it's 85-90 dollars for 8#'s.
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Old 01-31-2013, 12:36 AM
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Thanks for the heads up. The fact I mainly shoot ar and m1 is part of the reason I want versitile. And yes I've heard a hundred times varget but its 30lb here and I'm a noob on a budget for now and yes I realize its a good deal even more the reason I want to find a use for it.
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:32 AM
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It's a question of consistency and, of course, availability.

I haven't used 4895 in about ten years, and in fact gave several jugs away.

Varget, 748, 4064...

Of course, I very rarely load .30/06, as any operational M1 rifle I have is a .308 because the reliability and accuracy are so vastly superior.

But the same powders are used.

Edit: I stock powders in pretty good depth, so prices during the current panic don't mean much to me. However, I seem to recall using 748 back when I loaded considerable .223/5.56. The great thing about the ball/spherical powders is that they meter consistently and, especially 748, burn quite cleanly and consistently when peaked to the case in use.

I'd check prices on 748.

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Old 01-31-2013, 10:41 AM
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It's a question of consistency and, of course, availability.

I haven't used 4895 in about ten years, and in fact gave several jugs away.

Varget, 748, 4064...

Of course, I very rarely load .30/06, as any operation rifle I have is a .308 because the reliability and accuracy are so vastly superior.

But the same powders are used.
I certainly understand your point Jim. To this point I do not yet have a 308 Garand but I do have a bolt gun in 308.

For right now though the vast majority of my reloading will be for .223 and .30-06. One thing that I know doesn't always match with the three factors you mentioned is ECONOMY. I know cheep and accurate are not always possible and I understand that but if I have to pay 30 bucks a lb for Varget and 4064 I'm simply not going to buy it. Not at least until I move to a different state or someone comes up with a 4lb container that will give some bulk savings. Otherwise I'm stuck with pulldown or other powders to meet the fact I have to keep the wife off my back out how much I spend on the hobby/habit.

With the prices I have access to varget or 4064 (If I can find it) will run me about .22-24 cents a round just for powder, 4 cents for a primer, 15-25 cents a pill and we are pretty darn close to or more than HXP. I know this will be a more accurate load but economics and time do play a factor. This of course is not including reloading equipment and time.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:49 PM
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I use 48g of IMR 4895.
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