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Old 12-16-2017, 05:07 PM
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Being the OP a little clarification may be in order here. If the pistol sale through the CMP does happen AND I am fortunate enough to make the cut any and all information that I can glean will be a help with any decision that I will need to make.

Again, my goal will be a SG type WWII .45 caliber pistol to add to my milsurp collection.

Thank you all who contributed!

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Old 12-16-2017, 05:42 PM
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I said nothing about CMP pistols.

Please, I'm begging you: don't apply internet detective principles to my post. There's no hidden nuances there.

I'm very clear in it. Bringing it into question is not helping me you or them.
Airing dirty laundry and now this. yet you wonder why your posts are removed.
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Old 12-16-2017, 05:47 PM
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Being the OP a little clarification may be in order here. If the pistol sale through the CMP does happen AND I am fortunate enough to make the cut any and all information that I can glean will be a help with any decision that I will need to make.

Again, my goal will be a SG type WWII .45 caliber pistol to add to my milsurp collection.

Thank you all who contributed!

rifle guy
Actually, ALL of the military issue M1911A1 pistols will qualify per your definition, as they were all subject to issue during WWII. Now, if you really meant you want an M1911A1 Manufactured during the period of WWII, that's a different matter and might limit your options. Good luck.
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Old 12-17-2017, 11:26 AM
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M1911 pistols were manufactured by Colt and procured by the government 1912-early 1919. M1911 pistols manufactured by the government, for the government, by Springfield Armory were procured 1914- early 1917. M1911 pistols manufactured by Remington Arms-UMC were procured by the government in 1918 and early 1919.

M1911A1 pistols manufactured by Colt were procured by the government in 1924, 1937-1945. M1911A1 pistols manufactured by Singer were procured in late 1941. M1911A1 pistols manufactured by Remington Rand were procured late 1942-1945. M1911A1 pistols manufactured by Ithaca were procured 1943-1945. M1911A1 pistols manufactured by US&S were procured in 1943 only.

North American Arms, and other companies were contracted to manufacture M1911 pistols during WWI. However, none were completed, inspected, accepted or received by the U.S. government before their contract was suspended. 104+/- tool room prototypes were completed later, probably about 1920.

Rarity involves a lot of things besides number produced. There are several examples which are more difficult to acquire than the 500 Singer M1911A1 pistols produced. But to really go into this, it would take a lot more time and space than one post. There are some good books and web sites dedicated to the study of these pistols.
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Old 12-18-2017, 09:18 AM
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Savage (A.J. Savage?) made slides for 1911,s either during WW1 or right after. Got one on a CMP gun ,it looked a little soft at hold open latch, Traded it some place, later found out a little rare. So I was told. ( didn't know much then 1960)

Correction Savage slide came on a DCM gun, they were selling to NRA members for 17.00+ shipping. Good old days.

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Old 06-06-2018, 11:11 PM
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I know nothing about collecting 1911s, but assume some manufacturers are more desirable to a collector than others.
Can anybody list the 1911 manufacturers according to desirability?
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Old 06-06-2018, 11:39 PM
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I know nothing about collecting 1911s, but assume some manufacturers are more desirable to a collector than others.
Can anybody list the 1911 manufacturers according to desirability?
Desirable to who? That would be a matter of opinion and will vary from person to person.
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Old 06-07-2018, 12:09 AM
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Singer
Union Switch and Signal
Ithaca
Colt
Remington Rand

Springfield Armory is up there too, but anything WWI will probably be very worn by now
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Old 06-07-2018, 03:08 AM
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Per my limited knowledge.

Pre-WWI
Colt
Springfield Armory

WWI
North American Arms (Canada) - approx. 100 pre-production pistols made.
Rem-Umc
Colt

Colt also produced 1911 & 1911A1 pistols between the wars.

WWII (1911A1)
Singer - 500 made
US&S
Ithaca
Colt
Rem-Rand
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Old 06-07-2018, 08:51 AM
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As you can imagine, there's a lot more to it than just total numbers made by each manufacturer. Or at least there should be.

Sometimes total production matters as in the case of Singers where nice, legit examples can bring six figures because so few were ever made. But other times it just doesn't add up. With USS for example there were 55,000 made and these days they sell for 2-3X as much as Type I Remington Rands which are far rarer. They even sell for more than original WWI Springfields which is crazy. I think that just like the Colt pony drives up prices, so does the USS "rarity" story.

I personally like Ithacas because I can usually find out exactly when and where they were shipped. And I especially like early dulite Ithacas which are hard to come by but fortunately don't have the hype around them that USS does. Ithacas don't get a lot of love for whatever reason.

In the case of these CMP guns, they'll most likely have mismatched slides and frames so a Remington Rand by frame serial number might be wearing a Colt slide, but that doesn't make it a Colt. So manufacturer really shouldn't mean much in the big picture with these. Better to look at overall condition, amount of original USGI parts, shootability, etc.
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