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Old 10-11-2017, 12:23 PM
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Larry Nature who's in Control for the most part.... I can tell you that in 2014 Your POS Governor along with the Feds CUT the Air Tanker fleet from like 78 to 40 something.... they added the DC-10-30 which is a great airframe but slow to reload and $$$ to run. Air Tankers with Forest Service Ground troops can make a impact under normal Conditions.... this Aint Normal. I did a short tour in Chino with the Air Tanker service 30 years ago. Until recently most the Airframes were near the end of their life cycles.... they have bought a few Newer AC....a Few...States need to get serious about revamping the whole fleet. In addition as you may know.... Lots of these fires are Man Made.... deliberate acts...as in Terrorists.

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Old 10-11-2017, 12:35 PM
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Thoughts and prayers with all impacted by this tragedy.
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:22 PM
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Interactive map that shows the burn area

https://maps.nwcg.gov/sa/#/%3F/38.4701/-122.6435/11

Satellite view of Santa Rosa burn area ...... note how some areas are burned and then others are untouched

https://api.mapbox.com/styles/v1/rob...-122.7372/16.6
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:22 PM
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The situation sounds bad up there. I can hear echoes of those suffering through the events following the impact of Katrina. What else can the government do?
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:26 PM
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Facts: Air tanker support - This is the biggest air tanker support operation in US history. It's concentrated on stopping the progress of the over 22 fires in progress. If you didn't see tankers in the area you are in, your area it is not a priority. Tonight may be a turning point...for the worse. High shifting winds are forecast after midnight up to 50 MPH shifting from the north. All bad news. 0 containment is still the norm. With changing wind direction the focus is again shifting to saving lives and evacuation efforts, not fire fighting. I'm up in Oregon, thank goodness, but family and friends are being impacted.

Officials stated at recent news conferences that it's going to get worse before it gets better. God!
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Old 10-12-2017, 11:24 AM
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I saw the 747 tanker up by Geyserville on TV. And a DC10. I think that the problem is that the 747 takes hours to turn around, just to fuel the plane and load the fire retardant. It is flying out of Sacramento, so it is 100 miles from the fires. Yesterday, they lit a backfire on the hill above the golf course and it burned a huge area, came down to withing 1/4M of my son's house and scared the crap out of everyone. I am back on the danger list because they think that the fires that just missed me on Monday are coming back. Two days ago they let the entire Bennett Ridge subdivision, 75 homes burn up with no response. There are three large lakes within a mile or two of that neighborhood. A chopper and bucket probably could have helped those people. There was an NG Blackhawk flying around taking News people and officials on tours of the disaster area. That could have done wonders for those 75 homes.
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Old 10-12-2017, 11:32 AM
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RE; N744ST 747-400 Tanker flight ops, yesterday Wed. 10/12

Shows flight track and schedule (take off-landing times)

The website is quite current if you want to follow the ops (if you have registration number)-----the B200 spotter is REALLY busy....

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N744ST

The track log get really intense.....

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/.../KMCC/tracklog
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Old 10-12-2017, 11:47 AM
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Where are those Mars Water Bombers?

22 tons of water pickup in 30 seconds (and probably a few fish, steamed on-site, for firemen to grub on while fire-fighting? )
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Old 10-12-2017, 12:42 PM
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Where are those Mars Water Bombers?

22 tons of water pickup in 30 seconds (and probably a few fish, steamed on-site, for firemen to grub on while fire-fighting? )
One is slated to go to a museum ( Philippine Mars ) and is out of service. Hawaii Mars hit a bottom of a lake and was undergoing repairs at last report.
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Old 10-12-2017, 01:26 PM
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I saw the 747 tanker up by Geyserville on TV. And a DC10. I think that the problem is that the 747 takes hours to turn around, just to fuel the plane and load the fire retardant. It is flying out of Sacramento, so it is 100 miles from the fires. Yesterday, they lit a backfire on the hill above the golf course and it burned a huge area, came down to withing 1/4M of my son's house and scared the crap out of everyone. I am back on the danger list because they think that the fires that just missed me on Monday are coming back. Two days ago they let the entire Bennett Ridge subdivision, 75 homes burn up with no response. There are three large lakes within a mile or two of that neighborhood. A chopper and bucket probably could have helped those people. There was an NG Blackhawk flying around taking News people and officials on tours of the disaster area. That could have done wonders for those 75 homes.
I saw it in Lake County 2 years ago. It's all about priorities. If they think it can be saved they commit resources. If not, they use available resources where success is possible or where lives are in the most danger. I watched the entire valley below my house go up in a firestorm in 2 hours, hundreds of homes. Air tankers worked the perimeter to slow spread, they saved my neigborhood, but nothing could be done in the valley so they abandoned efforts there almost immediately. Waste of resources, waste of time, no chance to suppress or prevent loss, too hazardous for first responders o they moved on and let it burn to white ash. Funny how, in that case, you heard no monday morning quarterbacking. All you saw after people were allowed back in were signs on every street corner and many piles of white ash thanking the first responders for their efforts. People who lost their homes were walking in to local restaurants and buy entire crews breakfast, lunch and dinner.

My heart goes out to anyone who has suffered loss or who may still suffer loss in these horrific events. But, what isn't appropriate is criticising the efforts of the very people who put their lives on the line trying to save others. Note, my failure to mention property. It's not even secondary in nature. That's what, if you are in the least responsible, insurance is for.

If you didn't see firefighters or air tankers where you were, someone else needed them more. Time to realize that and move on with recovery. Based on how slow recovery has been in Lake County, starting early is critical to your success. Wasting time complaining on Forums or waiting on someone else to help is not in your best interest.
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