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Old 05-10-2018, 08:20 PM
AngryDoug AngryDoug is offline
 
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Since many people rely on this old thread to help spot fake M84s, I've uploaded the complete set of pictures, in order, to imgur.

Photobucket is a complete disaster nowadays, so I hope this helps.

https://imgur.com/a/WdapQnN
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Old 05-10-2018, 09:08 PM
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Thanks for doing this...I kind-of forgot about this thread so I appreciate your efforts given that photobucket hi-jacked my original images...
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Old 05-10-2018, 10:23 PM
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It's the least I could do. It's one of the best threads on the CMP forums.
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Old 05-11-2018, 05:56 AM
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That was a well done and much needed report. The only problem is there were three manufacturers of original M84 scopes. See The Garand Stand Reports #109, 110 and 111. The rare one is the R. Wendel made one. Each manufacturer had slightly different data plates and other tiny "manufacturing idiosyncrasies". The author, C. Redfield, is an old friend and fellow collector, who has been sharing his information with some of us, but now has at last published data collected over a more than twenty year period.

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Old 05-11-2018, 08:05 AM
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This M84 Leupold-Stevens is currently listed on eBay, and imo it is a fake.

But it's a good one. The turrets look like USGI, and the sunshade appears to be beveled.

But the data plate looks too perfect and the screws holding it are brand new.

The "7667424" drawing number is stamped on the barrel of the scope but it doesn't look like it's on the turret mount.

The bluing is brand new as well. And if you look closely at the inside of the reticle on the last pic, you'll notice a "10x" printed on the glass. I'm pretty sure no M84 had this. But I'm posting here because I'm unsure.

Can one of you long-time experts chime in with an opinion?

https://imgur.com/a/JgE6s9w
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Old 05-11-2018, 11:55 AM
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Only Leupold & Stevens M84 scopes in the approximate range of 12,000 to 16,000 had the tube number on the tube at 3:00 o'clock. See the Garand Stand Report #111.



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Old 05-11-2018, 12:55 PM
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Only Leupold & Stevens M84 scopes in the approximate range of 12,000 to 16,000 had the tube number on the tube at 3:00 o'clock. See the Garand Stand Report #111.
That would tend to indicate this scope is legit.

I looked most closely at the image of the reticle, and I now realize that the stamp I'm seeing is a reflection of the poster's camera lens.

This scope has me stumped. It looks too good to be true. It must be a fake but there's no way to tell other than the bluing is very new.
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