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Old 11-03-2019, 10:04 PM
skippyjohnson skippyjohnson is offline
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Default Mark-1 US-N Dummy Training Rifle 1903

A friend reached out to me to tell me that she had an M1 and would I tell her a little about it. She sent me these pictures. Clearly not an M1. Maybe a 1903 trainer?

She says it says:

She has the date 1943. Not sure where that comes from.

Google isn't helping me much.

She has 2 of these. Condition is similar on the second one. She was trying to sell one for about $200. Seems high to me. Condition is very poor.

Anybody have any info on these? I was more interested when I thought it was an m1 trainer.

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Old 11-03-2019, 11:32 PM
Frederick Frederick is offline
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I've got a couple of those! They are just what it says, dummy rifles. They were made during the early part of ww2 for training sailors on how to handle the 03 rifles. I think I paid about that much for each of mine a few years ago. Liberty Tree Collectors (I think) has one for about $325. I might be confusing them with another dealer. One of mine had the sights ripped off and the other has no sling.

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Old 11-04-2019, 12:02 AM
Rock Rock is offline
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There's a thread on them here... http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=241787

We had toy rifles just like them as kids.
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Old 11-04-2019, 06:48 AM
Tom in N.J. Tom in N.J. is offline
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That's the rifle the plastic USN MKI bayonets were made to fit. At least the ones shown in the OP are complete. The stocks need some TLC. The rear sight is the part most often lost.I have one and paid about that for it many years ago. I also have all three of the plastic bayonet contracts.
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Old 11-04-2019, 08:22 AM
JimF JimF is online now
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Except for one of the incorrect wood screws on the butt swivel, I believe it is worth the $200.

Easy-peasy cleanup!
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Old 11-04-2019, 08:52 AM
navyrifleman navyrifleman is offline
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Those same rifles might still be in production. My kids had the same kind of rifle for drill and manual of arms practice when they attended a Junior Naval Academy agout 20 years ago. They are mostly wood with a short piece of pipe on the end for a barrel, and a few stamped metal pieces for butt plate and trigger guard, etc.

These dummy rifles were never meant to be used to teach marksmanship or simulate combat conditions. They were meant only for drill purposes (marching). A few years back, I actually saw a US Navy Color Guard using two of these wooden rifles as part of their presentation - stationed on the outside of the flags with one guard at right shoulder arms and the other at left shoulder arms - rifles to the outboard.
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Old 11-04-2019, 01:16 PM
m1garand1055 m1garand1055 is offline
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I paid $100 for the one I have and it's twice as nice as that one. When I bought it , the guy wanted $150 for it. I talked him down to $100. I don't think mine has a sling on it.
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Old 11-07-2019, 07:31 PM
Charlie Flick Charlie Flick is offline
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Check out these threads over at the US Militaria Forum. Lots of good info on these dummy guns there:



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Old 11-08-2019, 11:11 PM
skippyjohnson skippyjohnson is offline
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Thank you to all who responded. Good info. Will direct her to this thread.
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