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Old 10-15-2018, 04:57 PM
BubbaTheKid BubbaTheKid is offline
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Default Varget still taboo?

Have decided it is time to reload all of My 7.62x51 LC & 7.62x63 HXP Brass. I inherited My Dad's maual's and equipment. I bought 5# or 6# of Varget during the Obama years, as well as CCI Large Rifle Primers and some bulk 150gr. FMJ slugs. I'm really looking to come up with several hundred plinking ammo for casual range sessions. I have been full length resizing, cutting to 2.484 trim length and doing primer pockets unifrom to just under .1320 SAAMI, my Primers are seating just below flush. Looking for mid-range velocity based on the Service Rifle Specs in My Manual: Hornady 5th Edition.

In doing this I have become aware of the Zedinker M14 articles and the collective's debate on Varget in M14 & M1, however, alot of that debate seems old, out dated and more geared toward heavier slugs for long range. I'm wondering where the current school of thought is. I'm going to shoot these out of James River Armory 19.5" Barrel M14 & CMP Service Grade M1.

I'm leaning toward using the Varget for M1 and getting H4895 for the M14. I'd probably end up going with H4895 going forward for both after I use up the Varget.

Anyway, open to thoughts & suggestions, thanks.

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Old 10-15-2018, 05:09 PM
Tuna 1 Tuna 1 is offline
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When Varget first came out it was said that the burn rate and pressure curve was the same as IMR 4064. I contacted Hodgdon about this and was told by them that Varget and 4064 for all practical purposes was the same in all respects. Varget was just not as sensitive to temperature.
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Old 10-15-2018, 05:25 PM
Pappy Pappy is offline
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Just my experience but I find Varget to be more temperature sensitive than IMR 4064
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Old 10-15-2018, 06:11 PM
Skeet6 Skeet6 is offline
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Varget is an excellent powder in M1's, (both 308 and 30-06) ... likewise in the M14.
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Old 10-15-2018, 07:10 PM
DaveHH DaveHH is offline
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I use both 4064 and Varget. I load with RCBS gear large old Ohaus powder dump and 10/10 scale. I would cringe when the powder dump start crunching through those sticks of powder, but when I weigh it it is just fine. Consistent and great shooting 4064 was and is the favorite for the Garand for many years. Thanks for the info, from now on I'll use nothing but 4064 and skip the varget. Varget is hard to find some times.
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Old 10-15-2018, 08:19 PM
rcolarco rcolarco is offline
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You can't go wrong with 4064, but there is nothing wrong with Varget. Federal loaded some lots of M118LR ammo with Varget. M118LR is hot, and not for gas guns. But in lighter loads, Varget is just fine.
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Old 10-15-2018, 08:53 PM
gwfrench gwfrench is offline
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Who cares about the metering.
I use a RCBS Charge Master 1500 while watching TV.
It beeps. Look at the scale. If it is more than 0.1gr high I just dump
it back in the hopper. At the worst, maybe 20% get recycled.
I use mostly IMR 4064 and Varget with no problems.
When I finish 50 rounds, I recalibrate, check the 1st, 25th and 50th loads.
Never had a problem with the weights.

And just today, chrono'd some of my 308 loads for my CMP 308 Garand
150gr Hornady, 43gr IMR 4064, Lake City pulled brass with original primers
2665 fps
2630 fps
2672 fps
2636 fps
2631 fps

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Old 10-16-2018, 04:42 AM
nf1e nf1e is offline
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Varget works for me on both .308 and 06.
36 - 47 with 150 fmg in .308
44 - 51.5 for 150 fmg in .30-06
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Old 10-16-2018, 07:23 AM
milprileb milprileb is offline
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Varget is fine, IMR 4064 is fine. Go with either, I likewise moved to IMR 4064 because I can always find it. In my RCBS powder measure and Ohaus powder measure, IMR 4064 meters like gravel and is a PITA . However I dump the powder and weigh the charge and trickle to correct charge desired and off I go. Varget meters better but still, I weigh each charge. Others will jump in and claim they can load the charges right out of their powder measure and I believe them......however , since I don't take my M14 out of the case till I get to the 800 yard line...precisely weighed charges are my preferred solution.

Primers seated flush. Primers should be seated till they bottom out in primer pocket. I primer not done so is risking a slam fire. I can feel primers fully seat when I use my RCBS bench priming tool.
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Old 10-16-2018, 08:26 AM
ceresco ceresco is offline
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VarGet meters better than most extruded powders. It may be an "extreme" powder but it does not ignite easily--two different things. Have seen many instances where VarGet fails to ignite, leaving a bullet somewhere above it's original position and a plasticized mass in the case. Hodgdon told me it is not suitable for reduced loads. Never any problem with typical .223 loads, only in larger cases. Good Shooting. ....
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