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Old 01-10-2019, 10:47 PM
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So why doesnt the A stand for Anniston?
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:15 PM
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So why doesnt the “A” stand for Anniston?


The Army usually doesn't use single letter codes for Armories and at least one A.N.A.D marked pistol has been found with a 78 date that overlaps these.

This is what I had posted earlier that explained that this one pistol does not show as property of the US Army at the time of rebuild. I will investigate this more to make sure this is not just a fluke. But I really didn't think it was Army before I even started. That is why I was curious.

"Ok, I finally got the full report back on 1720678. That shows the rebuild mark A 1 81 .

To let you know a little about what I do, I have a contact that can tell me anytime a serial showed up in the Army records since about 1975.

Now this will only show if a pistol was in Army property, so if this pistol was Marines, Air Force, or Navy, it will not show up on the Army records. Because it was not property of the Army at that time.

Earlier someone had speculated the A might be Anniston, so if that A does stand for Anniston, it would have shown up as inventoried at Anniston before that 1981 rebuild date on it.

So that is why I wanted to do a search on one, because it should be able to clarify if the pistol was Army in 1981.

The first time this serial first shows up in Army inventory is on August 16th 1991, as it was shipped from an undisclosed location to Anniston and received. The name of who shipped it to Anniston is not named, and usually it never is. Unless it's from another Army location.

So from at least the standpoint of this one search, it does not appear this was an Army pistol till 1991. It also appears another branch most likely shipped this Pistol to Anniston for long term storage in 1991. "


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Old 01-11-2019, 08:01 AM
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Colt frame marked A181
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Old 01-12-2019, 09:05 PM
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I have a Remington Rand frame marked A 7 81 (among other things)
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Old 01-12-2019, 10:19 PM
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Just read cplnorton's latest post. Very interesting regarding the history of A 1 81. My CPM 1911 is stamped A 2 81. Seems to me the history of my firearm could possibly be very similar to A 1 81 regarding to where it was previously to the stamping. Seems to me it is possible another branch of service had this firearm in its inventory. Just more of the intrigue surrounding the history of these awesome artifacts of American history.
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Old 01-13-2019, 12:51 AM
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The Army usually doesn't use single letter codes for Armories and at least one A.N.A.D marked pistol has been found with a 78 date that overlaps these.

This is what I had posted earlier that explained that this one pistol does not show as property of the US Army at the time of rebuild. I will investigate this more to make sure this is not just a fluke. But I really didn't think it was Army before I even started. That is why I was curious.

"Ok, I finally got the full report back on 1720678. That shows the rebuild mark A 1 81 .

To let you know a little about what I do, I have a contact that can tell me anytime a serial showed up in the Army records since about 1975.

Now this will only show if a pistol was in Army property, so if this pistol was Marines, Air Force, or Navy, it will not show up on the Army records. Because it was not property of the Army at that time.

Earlier someone had speculated the A might be Anniston, so if that A does stand for Anniston, it would have shown up as inventoried at Anniston before that 1981 rebuild date on it.

So that is why I wanted to do a search on one, because it should be able to clarify if the pistol was Army in 1981.

The first time this serial first shows up in Army inventory is on August 16th 1991, as it was shipped from an undisclosed location to Anniston and received. The name of who shipped it to Anniston is not named, and usually it never is. Unless it's from another Army location.

So from at least the standpoint of this one search, it does not appear this was an Army pistol till 1991. It also appears another branch most likely shipped this Pistol to Anniston for long term storage in 1991. "

As it doesn't show up in the Army records until then, I'd still be willing to guess that it was done at Albany, GA by the Marines.
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Old 01-13-2019, 09:18 AM
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As it doesn't show up in the Army records until then, I'd still be willing to guess that it was done at Albany, GA by the Marines.

Makes perfect sense and I'm willing to bet that's the answer...
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Old 01-13-2019, 09:32 AM
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Updated as of 01/11/2019 list:

A 4 77 (cubfanpbrman)
A 6 77 (dnmcoy)
A 7 77 (ROFCIBC)
A 7 77 (fox2630)
A 1178 (friend of csm14thbn) *also marked LEAD*
A 1 79 (Laphroaig)
A 8 80 (shown in recent RECOIL article on CMP 1911s)
A 9 80 (USMC_M14)
A 9 80 (pbraxton1)
A 9 80 (bamiller1951)
A 1080 (Clp1957)
A 1080 (pistol featured on YouTube by Fix-In Make-It)
A 1180 (DTC) *mine*
A 1180 (greg1147)
A 1180 (wamurtha)
A 1 81 (bucketofgut)
A 2 81 (Wickstrom)
A 2 81 (trouble)
A 6 81 (MT_Smitty)
A 6 81 (jm1)
A 7 81 (alphawhisky)
A 1181 (NickofTime)
A 1181 (Sarico75)
A 2 83 (Strick)
A 2 83 (seeourpet)
A 3 83 (blitz10)
A 4 83 (GamecockOperator)
A 9 83 (drslash) *also marked LEAD*
A 1083 (glindes)
A 1183 (csm14thbns son)

(Might as well start collecting a list of the OA and OB arsenal marks as well to see how they slot in to our A list date-wise.)

O-68 (and then O-70) (Jackknife)
OB-79 (DdoubleU)
OB79 (TW56s son)
DTC excellent work your doing ! very interesting. Thanks for adding my 1942 Colt " A681" to the list. I am reading, waiting, watching, and hoping to find out what the "A" stands for
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Old 01-13-2019, 10:13 AM
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You can also put *also marked LEAD* on my entry if you want to.
You might as well start a LEAD list too!!!

Wouldn't mind knowin' where my COLT #1671195 has been hangin' out since it left LEAD!!!

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Old 01-13-2019, 11:10 AM
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Ok, I finally got the full report back on 1720678. That shows the rebuild mark A 1 81 .

To let you know a little about what I do, I have a contact that can tell me anytime a serial showed up in the Army records since about 1975.

Now this will only show if a pistol was in Army property, so if this pistol was Marines, Air Force, or Navy, it will not show up on the Army records. Because it was not property of the Army at that time.

Earlier someone had speculated the A might be Anniston, so if that A does stand for Anniston, it would have shown up as inventoried at Anniston before that 1981 rebuild date on it.

So that is why I wanted to do a search on one, because it should be able to clarify if the pistol was Army in 1981.

The first time this serial first shows up in Army inventory is on August 16th 1991, as it was shipped from an undisclosed location to Anniston and received. The name of who shipped it to Anniston is not named, and usually it never is. Unless it's from another Army location.

So from at least the standpoint of this one search, it does not appear this was an Army pistol till 1991. It also appears another branch most likely shipped this Pistol to Anniston for long term storage in 1991.


To just tell a little more about this pistol it was put into long term storage at Anniston and shows up on annual inventory reports there on specific dates in 1999, 2000, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017.

On Feb 2, 2018 it was shipped to Army Tank Automotive and Armament Command Detroit MI. It was released to the CMP from there.

I'm going to try to do a OB-79 of TW56 next. To see what it says.

Now it's interesting to note, I have ran a lot of these. This one's report is very similar to the ones I have received on the 0-6X Marine Corps Garands.

I will report back in another couple weeks after I find out the results of TW56's OB-79. I will probably also run at least another one or two of the A-date coded ones to see if by some chance they don't show up as Army earlier. But I will just go in order of those who already posted on this thread.
Hello cplnorton, can you check out my 1942 Colt #807642 ? A 6 81 ? It is on your list. or did u check enough A marks already ? Thanks

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