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Old 04-11-2011, 08:32 AM
evi1joe evi1joe is offline
 
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Default Learning the ropes about 5 M1carbines...

I'm helping out a widowed friend sell her husband's collections of guns, and decided to start with the M1 Carbines. However, it turns out there are a LOT of things I need to know in order to determine value. I know the "Blue Sky, Arlington VA" marked barrel one is evidently an "import" and not worth much (even though it's in perfect condition). He has one paratrooper and one that was crated up and never even fired...but I only grabbed 3 to take pics of for now.

I was just wondering if there's any way to know if these are all original or mixmasters without taking them apart (I'm scared of breaking down a gun that doesn't belong to me, even though if it was an AK, AR or Glock, I could do it easily).

I'd hate to sell a $1200 M1 paratrooper for $650, but I'd also hate to sell a $600 M1 for $1000. Just looking for fair prices, but it's so hard to know. I can't even tell if these are the "good" "high stocks" or not--the two with stocks have the same design/angles.

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Old 04-11-2011, 08:34 AM
evi1joe evi1joe is offline
 
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The barrels are super nice:
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Old 04-11-2011, 08:39 AM
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Take your time. Check out gunbroker (actual sold items) for price suggestions. Consider, for the potentially more valuable items, getting an appraisal (M1A1 (paratrooper), "unfired" carbine). An authentic M1A1 can be worth a lot more than $1200, depending on condition. On the other hand, if it is in a reproduction stock, it is likely worth less than $1200.

Maybe post a set of pictures or a link to a set of pictures for one at a time. Hopefully there is no rush.

Good luck.

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Old 04-11-2011, 09:00 AM
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The M1 Carbine is one of the easiest guns to field strip, you can find good videos on You Tube to take you though it. If you really want to get the most accurate idea of how much the guns are worth (accounting for any rare parts), you'll really have to do this. From the photos, it looks like the guns have later parts, (adjustable sights, later slide, at least one 4 rivet handguard), so they've likely been rebuilt at some point in their lives and are mixmasters.

Without any additional information, the guns are probably worth $500-700 depending on condition. If you list the manufacturers, some might be worth a couple hundred more (or a couple thousand, if one's an Irwin Pedersen). The paratrooper is worth at least $1000 more if it's real, not much more if it's a reproduction stock.

The best way to get an idea of value is to take lots of photos of any manufacturer's marks. At the very least, find out who made the receiver, stock and barrel. Better would be to list the manufacturer of the handguard, trigger group, hammer, trigger, sear, and bolt...the right manufacturers can make a huge difference on the final price. A mixmaster Inland with late features and a little wear would be on the low end, an all original Rockola with early features would bring 2-3 times as much.
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Old 04-11-2011, 09:13 AM
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The more info and pics you post here, the better idea you'll get on what those carbines are worth. Good luck!
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Old 04-11-2011, 10:48 AM
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the M1A1 stock looks similar to one I owned. You can see a cutout for the m2 selector (real M1A1s didn't have this), and the rivets on the stock don't look quite right IMO. Hope this helps!
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Old 04-11-2011, 11:04 AM
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EJ,

You are correct to do research for the widow.

From what I see, of the pictures above, the M1A1 stock is a reproduction. Also the stock is an "M2 potbelly" which appears to be an Israeli return (the stamped serial on the stock).

As stated above, carbines are very easy to break down into their basic groups. I would encourage you to download and fill out the "data sheet" used by the Carbine Club. (No, I am not a member.) They allow the use of the sheet and it is the standard by which carbines parts are identified and recorded. Having the sheets filled out will make appraising value and selling the carbines easier.

http://www.carbineclub.com/DataSheetrev31-1-11.pdf

I am curious about the carbine which is crated up. Remember the group here loves pictures, even of "regular" carbines, so please feel free to post and share.

Hope that helps...

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Old 04-11-2011, 01:45 PM
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I'm interested and currently looking to buy 4 certain rifles.

If you wanted someone in your area to look at them to tell you what she's got, I'm sure someone that views here is near you. Take care to protect yourself in that this deal isn't for someone to snatch a good deal from her at the expense of a dead spouse by underselling you on what they are. I'm not saying this is common here, but I've seen one of two people in another community of collectibles vulture on widows in the past.

I agree the the folder stock looks reproduction--it's not Parkerized and the rivets are not period. It's fresh looking too. I'm selling one for $170 shipped (stock alone).
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Old 04-11-2011, 03:17 PM
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One more comment:
That Inland carbine has a very low serial number. But I can see something (else?) stamped on the receiver in front of the rear sight. Is that just a repeat of the serial number?

That stock is definitely a 'return', based on the engraved number on the left side of the butt stock. Depending on the unseen condition (as in metal damage, pitting below the wood line, aftermarket parts, etc.), I'd say the appraisal of $500-700 is close. I recently bought an aftermarket paratrooper stock, like the one pictured, for $120. They retail for $180 +/-.
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Old 04-11-2011, 05:42 PM
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I see nothing special in your photos.
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