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Old 10-26-2018, 05:58 AM
SpearheadOrd SpearheadOrd is online now
 
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Heading to Ft Benning next week from the Quantico VA area for the 3 AD reunion and monument dedication. Haven't been to the South store since the Greek AF rifle heydays when it was in the old big store but can route my drive through Anniston. For military history reasons would like to get a Philippines return Garand and for military service reasons a Turkish return. I would be there early on Thursday morning when it opens. Anyone have feedback on the potential to find either next Thursday?

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Mark
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Old 10-26-2018, 07:27 AM
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Heading to Ft Benning next week from the Quantico VA area for the 3 AD reunion and monument dedication. Haven't been to the South store since the Greek AF rifle heydays when it was in the old big store but can route my drive through Anniston. For military history reasons would like to get a Philippines return Garand and for military service reasons a Turkish return. I would be there early on Thursday morning when it opens. Anyone have feedback on the potential to find either next Thursday?

Thanks,
Mark
I think your odds are good for both. Both have been present in the store for over a month. Good luck.
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Old 10-26-2018, 08:21 AM
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Heading to Ft Benning next week from the Quantico VA area for the 3 AD reunion and monument dedication. Haven't been to the South store since the Greek AF rifle heydays when it was in the old big store but can route my drive through Anniston. For military history reasons would like to get a Philippines return Garand and for military service reasons a Turkish return. I would be there early on Thursday morning when it opens. Anyone have feedback on the potential to find either next Thursday?

Thanks,
Mark
Not sure if it's applicable now but it's previously been reported that the Philippine returns will have a Y on the back of the hang tag.
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Old 10-26-2018, 10:40 AM
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How would you tell a Phillipine from a Turkish from any other? Do they have identifying characteristics like the black finish on some of the Greek returns?
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Old 10-26-2018, 04:34 PM
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How would you tell a Phillipine from a Turkish from any other? Do they have identifying characteristics like the black finish on some of the Greek returns?
A good number of the Turk rifles had dope tags inside the trigger group. Got a few of those myself. If you find a rifle with a dope tag inside the TG and it appears to be in a Turkic language it's a good bet that the rifle is a Turk return but then again CMP could have switched the TG so who knows for sure. The Turk rifles I got were FGs and the internals were very dirty and dry. Might be another sign to look for. One of mine is most likely a Turk Air Force return but like the others it was dirty and dry.

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Old 10-31-2018, 02:03 PM
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I requested and I think received a Turkish return Garand in April of this year. The TG has the Turkish dope tag and most of the parts I can identify are IHC and it was full of oil and sand (like my G1 FAL kit was). It is a Springfield 6 digit receiver circa 1943.
I know that CMP could have swapped the TG out but I understand that the Turks received a large number of IHC parts so everything seems to fit for aTruk return.

Could this be a true Turk return?
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Old 10-31-2018, 05:00 PM
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I requested and I think received a Turkish return Garand in April of this year. The TG has the Turkish dope tag and most of the parts I can identify are IHC and it was full of oil and sand (like my G1 FAL kit was). It is a Springfield 6 digit receiver circa 1943.
I know that CMP could have swapped the TG out but I understand that the Turks received a large number of IHC parts so everything seems to fit for aTruk return.

Could this be a true Turk return?
I received a mail order FG 6 digit (Feb 42) wearing a 1-63 barrel at about the same time period as you received yours.. I'm 95% positive it is a Turk return. The processing date on the hang tag certainly fits. It had the Turk dope tag in a WRA trigger housing and had several IHC parts including a decent op rod. Like yours it was full of dirt and dried grease. Even had dried grass under the rear sight cover. The finish has a brownish looking patina. A armorer at south store told me that a lot of the Turk rifles had that patina, he didn't know why nor had he found a way to safely remove it. His theory was that the Turks used some type of petroleum based preservative on the metal that reacted with the finish.

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Old 11-01-2018, 03:59 AM
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I received a mail order FG 6 digit (Feb 42) wearing a 1-63 barrel at about the same time period as you received yours.. I'm 95% positive it is a Turk return. The processing date on the hang tag certainly fits. It had the Turk dope tag in a WRA trigger housing and had several IHC parts including a decent op rod. Like yours it was full of dirt and dried grease. Even had dried grass under the rear sight cover. The finish has a brownish looking patina. A armorer at south store told me that a lot of the Turk rifles had that patina, he didn't know why nor had he found a way to safely remove it. His theory was that the Turks used some type of petroleum based preservative on the metal that reacted with the finish.
Ron,
Your description certainly matches what I have been seeing as Turkish returns at the South Store.

Rob
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Old 10-31-2018, 04:57 PM
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Do they have identifying characteristics like the black finish on some of the Greek returns?
Actually only a small number of Greek returns had Greek black finish. Most Greek returns were USGI finish
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Old 10-26-2018, 11:52 AM
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I'm hoping that after I explain what I'm trying to do they will let me know if there is a way they unofficially track the return source.
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