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Old 09-29-2018, 03:02 PM
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Default Beretta Parts on US-made Garands -- How?

My H&R M1 Garand has a PB marked front handguard, and I was wondering how it got the Italian parts.

-Was it standard for US Garands to have Italian parts?
-Does CMP install these?
-Did they get PB parts in the service of Turkey or PIs?
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Old 09-29-2018, 03:42 PM
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The CMP got plenty of Italian parts from the Danish MAP returns. Most likely your handguard was somewhere in the mix.
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Old 09-29-2018, 04:52 PM
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Interesting. Is there any plausible way US rifles ever could have had PB wood stuck on them during overhaul, or any other scenario before making it to the CMP?
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Old 09-29-2018, 05:06 PM
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Interesting. Is there any plausible way US rifles ever could have had PB wood stuck on them during overhaul, or any other scenario before making it to the CMP?
Yes Danish as stated Danish returns came with Italian parts, No way of knowing how the handguard got on your rifle, may have been installed by CMP, may be a rifle that was donated to CMP by a individual, etc, etc.....
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Old 09-29-2018, 05:40 PM
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I picked up an M1 from the South Store a few years back that had some Italian parts. When I gat the "correct" Garand parts I couldn't hardly GIVE them away back then. Popularity has increased significantly as of late.....
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Old 09-29-2018, 05:46 PM
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I do not know how it got there , but I have a demil M1 butt stock marked PB on upper left side near where butt plate mounts that i obtained from the Raritan Arsenal when it was shutting down in the 60's -
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Old 09-29-2018, 06:01 PM
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]Yes Danish as stated Danish returns came with Italian parts[/B], No way of knowing how the handguard got on your rifle, may have been installed by CMP, may be a rifle that was donated to CMP by a individual, etc, etc...…..
Fair enough. I was not clear in asking my question, because the information I sought pertained to rifles in US service, whether in active issue or in storage. But you answered my question, so no complaints.

Thank you to everyone who has contributed. I welcome any further information.
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Old 09-29-2018, 07:03 PM
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Beretta was the official European (NATO) manufacturer of M1 parts. There were a lot of US Military Assistance Program (MAP) M1 Garands loaned to NATO member nations post WWII. The US/NATO wanted a “local” European parts source to simplify the supply chain.

The Beretta/Breda parts were made to spec, during peacetime (as opposed to war pressure), and by an experienced firearms company. They are high quality parts.

My guess is that any M1 that was in Europe in the 50s and later could have been repaired with Beretta parts.
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Old 09-29-2018, 08:05 PM
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Perhaps my HR M1 came from Turkey, and Turkey put the PB guard on
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Old 09-29-2018, 08:51 PM
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Beretta was repairing U.S. and allied M1's almost immediately at the end of WW2, as well as supplying both parts and specialists to depots, and they began producing parts well before complete rifles. Many of the former French and other Western European rifles entering the U.S. long before 1985 GCA 68 changes bore the fingerprints of Italian shops. Also, of course, some of the M1's simply given to Italy, well before the MILITARY AID PROGRAM even began, were eventually passed on to other NATO partners.

Odds and ends of PB and BMB coded parts showed up on DCM rifles as early as the sixties. So, too, did other non-U.S. parts, but rarely.

Incidentally, Beretta produced and delivered the rifles LONG after U.S. sources had sent off their last specimens.

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