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Old 04-24-2016, 02:37 AM
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Default Saginaw S.G. and S'G'

I recently acquired 2 Saginaw carbines. I am somewhat new to carbines, more of a 1903 guy, and would like to know a little more information. I have been trying to educated myself through the archives and from other websites. Both carbines are a mix of parts. Any opinions or information would be appreciated.

1. Saginaw S.G. serial #3503760. On the left side of the receiver there is a SG.
Barrel is Saginaw S.G. Div. without date.
Winchester stock WRA GHD with cross cannon on the R, AAF on the left side of the stock. Low wood with I cut.
Slide is marked DA-Q on the inside.
Bolt is flat, no marking other than a punch on the top of the bolt body
Type III barrel band.
Trigger housing is BE-B
Front sight is marked R behind the blade.

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2. Saginaw S'G' serial #1843085 with a W on the left side of receiver.
Barrel is Saginaw S.G. Div. no date.
Stock is marked RMC in the rear cutout area. Low wood stock. No other markings.
Slide is marked SG on the bottom
Type III barrel band
Trigger housing marked BE-B
Bolt is flat with a S and 6 or 9 on the R lug.
Rear sight is adjustable milled with a PI

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Old 04-24-2016, 03:43 AM
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Bolt is flat with a S and 6 or 9 on the R lug.
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I am going to hazard a guess and say it is actually an SG. Even in some of your posted pictures, the G in SG looks like a 6.
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Old 04-24-2016, 08:16 AM
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I think some of the early Standard Products bolts were marked on the right lug and not the left leg as was done for the later Std. Prod. bolts. I think the OP's bolt may actually be an early Std. Prod. bolt.
A picture may might it possible to tell the difference.

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I am going to hazard a guess and say it is actually an SG. Even in some of your posted pictures, the G in SG looks like a 6.
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Old 04-24-2016, 08:25 AM
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Both trigger housings appear to be IBM type IV . You may want to check the http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/forums.html for more info.
Hope this helps.
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Old 04-24-2016, 11:52 AM
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This is the best picture of the bolt lug markings I can get with the phone.
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Are the markings on the left side of the receiver inspection markings or some other significance? The S.G. has a SG on the side while the S'G' has a W on the side.
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Old 04-24-2016, 11:59 AM
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That without a doubt is a fairly early Standard Products bolt. SG bolts were often if not always stamped on the left lug while S'G' were often stamped on the right lug.
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Old 04-24-2016, 06:56 PM
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Definitely Std Prod.
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Old 04-24-2016, 08:53 PM
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First one is made at Saginaw plant (S.G.), they also subcontracted receivers for Inland. This is why you see the SG on side of some Inland receivers. Stock has been rebuilt and cut down. Check under lug for marks. Maybe post some pics

Second one was made at the Grand Rapids plant (S'G') evident by the square ear on left rear of receiver. The W on side of this one may be a heat lot. Bolt is for Standard Products.
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