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Old 07-28-2017, 02:58 PM
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Default Picked up USMC M1903 sniper

Recently I was fortunate enough to pick up a real USMC M1903 with 8x Unertl sniper rifle. I have to thank Andrew (smokeeaterpilot), Steve (cplnorton) and Tim (TDP0113) for their help, wisdom and insight.

Rifle is a National Match rifle that shipped in 1937. It still retains its 6-37 star gauged barrel and is one of the rifles that is wearing a straight finger groove stock. Thought the group would enjoy pictures.


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Old 07-28-2017, 03:53 PM
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Wow.... I think I need a cigarette after seeing those pics. Very nice...have any history on it?
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Old 07-28-2017, 03:54 PM
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Congratulations Neil!
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Old 07-28-2017, 03:58 PM
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Beautiful Weapon, nice acquisition!
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Old 07-28-2017, 05:28 PM
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Beautiful rifle. A joy to behold. Sincerely. bruce.
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Old 07-28-2017, 05:56 PM
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Reminds me that current CMP rules don't allow finger groove, straight stocks in the sniper match... oh well. Thanks for the pics. Good Shooting. ....
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Old 07-28-2017, 06:14 PM
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Reminds me that current CMP rules don't allow finger groove, straight stocks in the sniper match... oh well. Thanks for the pics. Good Shooting. ....
This another example of how fouled up the "vintage sniper" rules are.

According to USMC documents full pistol grip stocks were to be used "if available".
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Old 07-28-2017, 06:52 PM
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That's a gorgeous Greek rifle Neil
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Old 07-28-2017, 07:07 PM
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Very nice Red! I love the looks of that rifle. Was the left side gas escape hole done by SA or the Marines?

I have never shot in a competition, and don't understand why a "finger groove, straight stock" is not allowed. Are WWI era guns not allowed?

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Old 07-28-2017, 07:25 PM
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Very nice Red! I love the looks of that rifle. Was the left side gas escape hole done by SA or the Marines?

I have never shot in a competition, and don't understand why a "finger groove, straight stock" is not allowed. Are WWI era guns not allowed?

Mike
All the 1937 shipment I've examined personally have had the Hatcher drilled by SA. But neils is an intersting one, so I wouldn't mind examining it. I could see the argument each way. But I'm betting money it was drilled by SA bc all the rest have been.

On the Fingergroove stock, I think it's just some expert came along and said they all had C stocks. So it became the norm.

I would imagine honestly there have been S stocked snipers found that had their legit team/sniper S stock, and they have been swapped to a C to sell bc that is what the books say is correct. I know of 3 GG snipers now that the stocks are legit. And a fourth that has a S stock that was a replacement, but does not have the modifications.

Same as you see in books that the 1903A1 Snipers have the #10 sights. I believe 100% that any sniper with #10 sights has had them added later, and not by the Marines. The Marines phased out the #10 sights in 1936. The teams did not use the #10's since early in their history. Like the early 20's. They actually used a specific special sight on the teams that has not been made public yet. But because #10 show up in Brophy, everyone had to follow suit.

So as team rifles they did not use the #10 sight. And they didn't start building the 1903A1 snipers until Jan 1943. So 7 years after the #10 was dumped, snipers show up with them? Well let's just say this, when I see a sniper with #10's, I usually find a lot of issues with them.

By the way beautiful rifle Neil! It's exactly what one should be!

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