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Old 11-18-2010, 03:47 AM
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Has anyone else seen the new Springfield Armory 1911, the "Range Officer"?

I have been looking to get a hardball gun and if I switched out the hammer and grip safety, this one might be a good start. This would save me around $1000. I was looking at either a NM Les Baer or one from Springfield.

What do you guys think?
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Old 11-18-2010, 05:44 AM
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I'll play ignorant - what is a "hardball gun"? Just a .45 caliber, or what?

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Old 11-18-2010, 05:51 AM
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What we use to call a "hardball gun" was a 1911 accurized but only to handle "ball" ( read full metal jacket ) ammo and not the semi wad cutter lead rounds. I'm sure the terminology has changed by now and maybe it has a new meaning.
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Old 11-18-2010, 08:42 PM
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Springfields "RO"


Les Baers



Any thought? Save some money or pay for top of the breed?
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Old 11-18-2010, 10:57 PM
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It's a Bullseye gun. There're two types Ballguns or Hardball guns and Wadcutter-guns. NRA Bullseye, three-gun anyway, is broken down into Rimfire(Self-Explanatory), Centerfire(Wadcutter or Mid-Range), and Service-Pistol. The Range-Officer would be for Service-Pistol.
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Old 11-18-2010, 11:33 PM
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The Range-Officer would be for Service-Pistol.
My plan was to get the RO, make the modification for it to be legal and use it for say P100.

The way I see it, a few changed parts and maybe even a trip to the custom shop would be way cheaper than spending $1900 for a bullseye pistol.

I'm just wondering if that sounds like a good plan to people who have been in "the game" longer than I.
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Old 11-19-2010, 05:38 AM
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I'll play ignorant - what is a "hardball gun"? Just a .45 caliber, or what?

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(usually) a 1911 type pistol match-tweaked to shoot 230 grain military ball (fmj) ammuntion very accurately.

THIS pistol is a "ball gun" made in the early 60's by the (semi) legendary John Giles. Quite frankly, the only thing that makes it a "ball" gun versus a (just as accurate) "bullseye" pistol for wadcutter match ammo is the RECOIL SPRING.

as for the SA Inc. vs. Les Baer issue, Baer used to run SA's custom shop. Doesn't mean much, although I doubt the SA Inc. "range officer" is going to hold 3 inches at 50 yards like the Baer would (1.5 inches for an extra 150.00 or so).


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Old 11-19-2010, 12:22 PM
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Hugh is right, the main difference is the recoil spring(Also the Wadcutter guns use a slightly lighter mainspring). Right now, Joe Chambers makes the best Wadcutterguns out there.

A true Bullseye gun has most of the work in the barrel to slide, then Slide to frame fit. The rest is trigger work. A good, parallel barrel to slide fit and a crisp yet smooth 2.5-3lb trigger are the two most important things in attaining good accuracy. For example a good carrygun has hammer hooks measuring around .022-.24 and a good 4 pound pull. Hooks on a Wadcutter gun will run .018, quite a bit of difference.Requires a breakaway angle on the back of the sear for proper engagement.
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Old 11-20-2010, 03:10 PM
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Greetings all. Not a slight against Springfield, but- Taurus has been offering the same (And more, for less) for several years on their PT1911.

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Old 11-20-2010, 03:18 PM
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Greetings all. Not a slight against Springfield, but- Taurus has been offering the same (And more, for less) for several years on their PT1911.

Cheers,

Mark
Yea, for a range gun the Taurus is fine. As a gun I might consider taking to Camp Perry... never.
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