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Old 02-20-2011, 04:40 PM
10xshooter 10xshooter is offline
 
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Default Scopes for Vintage Sniper Match

Orest,

I recently bought a 1903a4, it came with a Lyman All-American 2 1/2 scope on it. I was just wondering if this scope would be acceptable for the Vintage Sniper match or not? It looks identical to the K3 scope.
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Old 02-20-2011, 07:58 PM
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I'm not Orest but here are the rules:
Firearms and Scopes: Firearms for the Vintage Sniper Rifle match will be original issue or replica sniper rifles originally issued through the Korean War. Any rifle currently allowed in the CMP Garand, Springfield or Vintage Rifle matches may also be used if firing points are available after all scoped rifle competitors have been accommodated. When registering competitors will be required to list the type of rifle, scope and caliber they will be shooting in the match. Rifles may be re-barreled but must be in original caliber and contour. Rifles shall be in as issued condition, no fiberglass stocks, no bedding, no after market triggers and no artificial weight added to the rifle. Semi automatic rifles shall not have trigger pull lighter than 4.5 lbs, bolt action rifles shall not have trigger pull lighter than 3.0 lbs. Top finishers in the match may be subject to a rifle inspection. Competitors will be required to have their rifles inspected by CMP armorers for trigger pull and safety prior to the match. Armorers will verify the firearms safety, type and caliber. Scope mounts must be period original or reproductions. The scope rings may be of a diameter other than original to accommodate a scope listed in the table below for each rifle. The following table lists the legal rifles and scope combinations for this competition. Scopes must be original or reproduction other than those listed.

RIFLE LEGAL SCOPES
G98, KAR 98 ZF 39 variants, Weaver K4, Original issue scope
No III Aldis, Winchester A5, William Malcom 3X or 6X, Weaver K4
P14 Enfield Aldis
91/30, M39 PE, PU
SVT 40 PU
K98 ZF39 variants, ZF 41, ZF4, Weaver K4
G43 ZF4
No 4(T) M32 variants, Lyman Alaskan, Weaver K2.5, K3 or K4
1903 Springfield (1941) Any Unertl 6X or 8X with 1 – 1.5” objective,
Lyman Junior Target spot 6X or 8X, Leatherwood Malcom 3X or 6X, Winchester A5, Lyman 5A. Any scope up to 8X with an objective no larger than 1.5” with external adjustments only. No recoil springs on scopes.
1903A4 (1903A3) Weaver 330C, K2.5, K3, M73, M81, M82, M84, Lyman Alaskan
M41/ M1B AGA 42, AGA 44, Ajack, ZF39 variants, Weaver K4
M1C, M1D M81, M82, M84, Stith-Kollmorgan 4X, Lyman Alaskan, Weaver K2.5, K3, K4
Type 97 and 98 Original issue scope

Ammunition: Legal ammunition will be military surplus Ball or match ammunition. Commercial ammunition loaded with FMJ, soft point or match style projectiles. Handloads using FMJ, soft point or match style projectiles. No tracer, armor piercing or incendiary type ammunition or projectiles may be used. Hornady match ammunition will be available in 6.5 X 55 mm, 303 British, 7.62 X 54R, 30-06 and 8 X 57 mm from the CMP for competitors who wish to purchase it. Competitors must specify when they register if the want to be issued ammunition or will bring there own. Registration fees will reflect whether ammunition is issued or not.

Shooting equipment: All normally used match shooing equipment and apparel may be used, shooing mat, coat, glove, sling, spotting scope, etc. If a team chooses they may use sand bags provided at the match for a front rest. No rear rest may be used. A strap on or lace on cheek piece may be used if desired. No permanently attached cheek piece may be used unless it was original to the gun, aka the No4 (T) Enfield. No bipods or other mechanical means of support may be used.

Course of Fire: All firing will be done from the prone position.The competition will consist of two man teams. One will serve as the shooter while the other serves as observer. After the first shooter fires the team members will switch roles and the observer will shoot while the other team member serves as observer. Teams will also serve as scorers/safety officers and as pit pullers. The course of fire will consist of each team member firing 10 rounds at 300 and 600 yards. A two minute pre-prep period will be followed by a three minute preparation period. Each team will then be given a 5 minute time period in which they may fire unlimited sighters that will be scored and marked. After the 5 minute sighter period the targets will be pulled for 1 minute, during which time they will be cleaned and repaired and run to half mast. The command “Standby” will be given 10 seconds prior to the first target exposure. Firing for record will then commence. Targets will be exposed for 20 seconds. At the end of the 20 second exposure targets will be pulled for 20 seconds and scored and marked then run back up for another 20 second exposure until the shooter has fired all 10 shots. The centerline will announce prior to the tenth shot “Tenth and last shot for record”. There are no alibis, teams in the pits must be on their toes! The targets will then be pulled for 2 minutes and cleaned and repaired. During this time period ECI flags will placed in all firearms and the shooter and spotter will switch roles. The command “Load and Standby” will be given 10 seconds prior to the first target exposure for the second shooter. When the target reappears the second shooter will begin his course of fire. The 300 yard high power target will be used at 300 yards and the 600 yard center will be used at 600 yards. . Placement and winners will be determined by score and X-count.
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Old 02-20-2011, 08:05 PM
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My main question is, is that scope a reproduction of any one of thee qualifying scopes.
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Old 02-21-2011, 07:45 AM
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I cannot answer. Rules for what type equipment may be used are under development and should be published in next 2 weeks. They may or may not be the same as previous rules for our "test matches".
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:36 PM
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Demary says rock solid rules out real soon. It's gonna be a ball!
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Old 02-24-2011, 07:03 AM
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Thank you rickgman for the info... I am having a little trouble understanding which scopes are allowed.. The not allowed scopes seem to run into the allowed scopes and back again... Just a suggestion - make a paragraph with those that are allowed and a paragraph with those scopes that are not allowed...
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Old 02-24-2011, 07:13 AM
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Aero..Go to competition section. Much more info
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