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Old 01-16-2013, 06:45 AM
rcycles45 rcycles45 is offline
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Originally Posted by OmegaGMT View Post
link to the Law


it looks as if we New Yorkers have till March 16, 2013 aquire ownership

and no more ammo via the web, it must be a face to face tranaction
Im reading this bill takes effect immediately if not sooner !! ??
Old 01-16-2013, 07:15 AM
OmegaGMT OmegaGMT is offline
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Originally Posted by rcycles45 View Post
Im reading this bill takes effect immediately if not sooner !! ??
S 58. This act shall take effect immediately; provided, however, that:
a. Sections one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,
eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eigh
teen, nineteen, twenty, twenty-one, twenty-two, twenty-three, twenty
four, twenty-five, twenty-six, twenty-six-a, twenty-seven, twenty-eight,
twenty-nine, thirty, thirty-one, thirty-two, thirty-three, thirty-four,
S. 2230 39 A. 2388
thirty-five, thirty-six, thirty-nine, forty, forty-one, forty-one-a,
forty-one-b, forty-two, forty-three, forty-five, forty-six, forty-six-a,
forty-seven, fifty-one, fifty-two, fifty-three, fifty-four, fifty-five,
and fifty-six of this act shall take effect on the sixtieth day after it
shall have become a law;
b. The amendments to subdivision 23 of section 265.00 of the penal law
made by section thirty-eight of this act shall take effect on the nine
tieth day after this act shall have become a law, except that the amend
ments made to paragraph (a) of subdivision 23 shall take effect imme

xfers appear to be detailed in section 17

most of the immediately is related to domistic violence
Old 01-16-2013, 07:49 AM
Odhinn Odhinn is offline
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Originally Posted by OmegaGMT View Post
link to the Law


it looks as if we New Yorkers have till March 16, 2013 aquire ownership

and no more ammo via the web, it must be a face to face tranaction

Regarding the document above, What in Hell does W/R mean?!, obviously no legal eagle over here...

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Last edited by Odhinn; 01-16-2013 at 08:08 AM. Reason: Edited to remove link to Hannon's website...
Old 01-16-2013, 08:28 AM
hematite hematite is offline
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Originally Posted by tenOC View Post
Disagree. "Viable" doesn't mean it wins the Presidency and Congress. Third parties are becoming viable by weakening establishment parties, and that can drive those parties to the be better representations of the people by trying to recapture supporters. The TEA Party is a good example. They come from the right, but abandoned establishment politics and were leaning off to Libertarian and Constitution parties. It's easier for corporations and special interests to own and control 2 parties, than it is to have to buy more parties. And both major parties are owned now.

The word "conservatism" isn't representative of freedoms in America. Talk radio and cable news (both controlled by corporations) pushes that agenda, but in fact "liberalism" in it's actual definition represents preservation of personal freedoms. Again, talk radio and cable news push the opposite distortion.

"Progressive liberals" push gun control and/or more government and/or higher taxes, open borders, expansion of social dependence. Liberals push personal freedoms without undue burden to the taxpayer. The founders were liberals. Thankfully. The past two Presidents fall on the side of Progressive liberals through exploding government reach and cost, open borders, foreign invasion. I know that will cause blow back for some people, but it's all historically accurate. I've witnessed guest hosts on Hannity and another ETA: supporting limitations on high capacity mags and owning a "Bushmaster". One statement was against citizens owning "multiple clip magazines". Whatever those are.
The definition of Liberal and Conservative has changed and gone full circle over the years. For that reason, if you are are categorizing the Founding Fathers as Liberals by today's definition, you are wrong, thankfully. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_woul...itical_climate
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Old 01-16-2013, 08:57 AM
USCS03 USCS03 is offline
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New York members, is it permissible via the newly passed law to purchase ammo in person from someone who lives in say, CT? If it is permissible, I have no issue ordering ammunition for you and arranging a once per month face to face meeting whereby you take delivery of your ammunition. Just throwing it out there.
Old 01-16-2013, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by mrrm View Post
Some years back the NRA coined the phase, "It's about more than guns, it's about freedom".

It is high time that "Billy Yank", "Johnny Reb" and "Chuck Wagon Cowboys" out west, join together for this fight.
+1 from this Johnny Reb.
Old 01-16-2013, 10:43 AM
SEANinMICH SEANinMICH is offline
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Originally Posted by Vos Parate View Post
EO cannot create laws. Only Congress can create laws. EO are interpretations of exosting laws.
Well, over 200 years of history and almost 15,000 executive orders disagree with you.

Do not confuse "can" with "may"

Executive Orders are published in the Federal Registry and ARE law. We have a long history of presidents issuing executive orders that are Unconstitutional and illegal. They do, however, stand as law to this day.

A president can issue an executive order for, literally, ANYTHING. It is up to Congress and SCOTUS to overrule, overturn, nullify, or refuse to fund it. Should those branches fail to do so, the order is law.

If you expect Congress or SCOTUS to save you, you should know that, despite ALL the UNCONSTITUTIONAL executive orders issued, only TWO executive orders have ever her overturned.
Old 01-16-2013, 10:48 AM
Lone_Gunman Lone_Gunman is offline
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Originally Posted by tenOC View Post
Look at this from the NYTimes link posted above.

This is one of the tactics dishonest people use to pass bad legislation.

In my view there was no change to be had. Actually I feel it would've been going back to 2003 and foreign invasions. Viable third party is desperately needed.
I couldn't agree with you more. I left the Republican Party in '08 and registered "Decline to State". I no longer have a political party affiliation, although I lean strongly to the Libertarian way of thinking. Do what you want, take responsibility for your life and choices, and leave me alone to do the same.

Anyway, I want to tell those of you in NY to stay strong. This WILL be challenged in court, I guarantee it. We still have the Heller 5 in the Supreme Court. The 2nd Amendment applies to the states as per the McDonald decision, and Heller says that the 2nd is an individual right. One of the decisions, I don't remember which or if it both, contains language about firearms "in common use", and that they are protected under the 2nd.

So stay strong, don't get rid of you higher capacity mags until this thing is looked at by competent lawyers, and until the deadline to do so is reached. In CA parts are just parts, so we can have hi-caps that are disassembled, but still parts complete. That may be an option in NY as well.

I expect a preliminary injunction to be filed ASAP by the SAF and/or the NRA. I know a lot of you guys were totally blindsided by this, but as I said, we in CA have been fighting this fight for years. Last year we defeated a mail order ammo ban, and a law strengthening our assault weapons ban. We are suing counties due to their CCW issuance policies. I now have, and have had a CCW for 2 years, in a county that 3 years ago wouldn't issue to regular people.

Keep your heads up, we have not yet begun to fight.
Old 01-16-2013, 01:11 PM
retiredtop2004 retiredtop2004 is offline
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How about ammo too? I received my DBU on 1/8/13 for a dose of Carbine ammo. Will that go through? It is a sad time for us shooters in the Empire State! We will persevere even though it looks like I'll be registering my evil, pre-94 ban, black rifle and possibly my 2 Carbines!
Old 01-16-2013, 01:30 PM
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guys, I have been on travel and not reading the forum. Answer to question is that we will comply with the law, federal or state. NY just passed one and we need time to digest it - give us a week at least. Locking thread - since there should be nothing else said after my answer.
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