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Mountain 01-22-2019 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Talyn1 (Post 1795526)
Before you try to save weight with the A4 handle steel attachment parts try a few things if you have the $$.

One gent previously posted that a carbine buffer assembly (stock, buffer tune, buffer & spring) can save 8 oz. Also, if you have some extra $$ you could try a light weight bolt carrier. You could save 4 oz. there over standard carrier. Also, WOA sells a A2 handguard w/o the inner heat shields.

Lastly, if you have the $ you could try some titanium and/or magnesium parts from V Seven. They have a carrier that weighs only 7.9 oz. As well as a variety of parts. But all BIG $$.

I have a lightweight butt stock that is carbine size. Not an A4 version but I've seen many different types on the line at CMP events. No adjustable cheek nor butt plate, so should be GTG per their rules. Maybe my current delta ring upper with the A4 handle and the lower built with this stock will make weight. No money spent- I have all the parts. However, since the rules now allow free float I plan to take advantage of that.

Jeremy2171 01-22-2019 06:17 PM

Time to break out a poly lower...

rickgman 01-22-2019 07:17 PM

My personal feeling is that when a hobby becomes frustrating, it is time to move on. The latest rules changes for this match are frustrating. It isn't like there aren't other matches.

Talyn1 01-22-2019 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rickgman (Post 1795684)
My personal feeling is that when a hobby becomes frustrating, it is time to move on. The latest rules changes for this match are frustrating. It isn't like there aren't other matches.

So far none of the NRA Rules specify a weight threshold.

rickgman 01-22-2019 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Talyn1 (Post 1795688)
So far none of the NRA Rules specify a weight threshold.

However, the NRA does not sponsor Modern Military Matches.

Talyn1 01-22-2019 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rickgman (Post 1795700)
However, the NRA does not sponsor Modern Military Matches.

MMR is a CMP label for their type of sanctioned matches. I know this forum is for CMP competitions. But there are other AR-type Service Rifle/other label competitive matches, and many more than those held by CMP. There is no need to give up on the hobby.

If you have any NRA-sponsored High Power matches within your area of access, and check the 2018 NRA High Power Rule book you'll see that their Service Rifle category nearly duplicates the 2018 CMP MMR configuration specs, as they did in prior years, but without any specified weight.

I haven't seen the 2019 NRA High Power Rules yet (May-ish) but if that pattern holds its likely you're good-to-go for a NRA-sanctioned match with a CMP MMR configured AR. You just won't have to deal with the 7.5 lb. threshold, if the NRA continues not to specify a weight limit.

Look in the Coming Events section of Shooting Sports USA (monthly-on-line only) for any scheduled matches within the area you're willing to travel to. https://www.ssusa.org/coming-events/ or in the SSUSA e-magazine. http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/nra/ssusa_201901/

Here's the Jan 2019 schedule. https://www.ssusa.org/media/1539923/jan_2019_ce.pdf Check regularly for updates since its early.

Here's MI contact. MICHIGAN, Utica: 200 YD, May 1-Oct. 31; L. Fey, 21046 Lantz St., Clinton Township, MI 48035; lfrey1816@comcast.net

BTW, an NRA "match" AR has equivalent specs as the CMP " Service Rifle".

https://rulebooks.nra.org/documents/...R/hpr-book.pdf

WindLogik 01-22-2019 10:40 PM

Quick google search shows that the weight of an unloaded M16A1 is 7.5 pounds. I thought the spirit of these games matches was to use issue type rifles? Seems like they're setting the weight limit with a particular design in mind? I don't shoot these matches, but was curious about all of this nonsense. .02$

Rootsy 01-23-2019 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Talyn1 (Post 1795726)
MMR is a CMP label for their type of sanctioned matches. I know this forum is for CMP competitions. But there are other AR-type Service Rifle/other label competitive matches, and many more than those held by CMP. There is no need to give up on the hobby.

If you have any NRA-sponsored High Power matches within your area of access, and check the 2018 NRA High Power Rule book you'll see that their Service Rifle category nearly duplicates the 2018 CMP MMR configuration specs, as they did in prior years, but without any specified weight.

I haven't seen the 2019 NRA High Power Rules yet (May-ish) but if that pattern holds its likely you're good-to-go for a NRA-sanctioned match with a CMP MMR configured AR. You just won't have to deal with the 7.5 lb. threshold, if the NRA continues not to specify a weight limit.

Look in the Coming Events section of Shooting Sports USA (monthly-on-line only) for any scheduled matches within the area you're willing to travel to. https://www.ssusa.org/coming-events/ or in the SSUSA e-magazine. http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/nra/ssusa_201901/

Here's the Jan 2019 schedule. https://www.ssusa.org/media/1539923/jan_2019_ce.pdf Check regularly for updates since its early.

Here's MI contact. MICHIGAN, Utica: 200 YD, May 1-Oct. 31; L. Fey, 21046 Lantz St., Clinton Township, MI 48035; lfrey1816@comcast.net

BTW, an NRA "match" AR has equivalent specs as the CMP " Service Rifle".

https://rulebooks.nra.org/documents/...R/hpr-book.pdf

You are confused.

CMP MODERN MILITARY is a CMP GAMES match. This is a match fired entirely @ 200 yards on the SR target. The COF is 180 degrees from true high power and aligns with all of the other games matches (Garand / Springfield / vintage).

CMP High Power (non national trophy / non EIC) are referred to as CUP matches on the travel / national match level. On the club level they are no different than NRA HP matches.

CMP Modern Military rules for firearms and matches are found in the CMP GAMES Rulebook. Service rifle & match rifle rules and match procedures are found in the CMP Service Rifle Rulebook. Alternately they align generally with NRA High Power rules.

Rootsy 01-23-2019 10:33 AM

You want to know about high power matches in Michigan? Here you go...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1arL...w?usp=drivesdk

Previously posted in the Michigan sub forum BTW. This schedule is updated as / if / when things change. Link remains the same so check periodically. The rev date is in the footer.

Talyn1 01-23-2019 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rootsy (Post 1795785)
You are confused.

CMP MODERN MILITARY is a CMP GAMES match. This is a match fired entirely @ 200 yards on the SR target. The COF is 180 degrees from true high power and aligns with all of the other games matches (Garand / Springfield / vintage).

CMP High Power (non national trophy / non EIC) are referred to as CUP matches on the travel / national match level. On the club level they are no different than NRA HP matches.

CMP Modern Military rules for firearms and matches are found in the CMP GAMES Rulebook. Service rifle & match rifle rules and match procedures are found in the CMP Service Rifle Rulebook. Alternately they align generally with NRA High Power rules.


I'm not confused at all, of course the MMR is a CMP games category. But a CMP club I belong follows CMPs MMR rules albeit on a 100 yd. reduced course using reduced 200-yd SR targets (4.3.5(b)).

I clearly stated there's other matches available other than the very limited CMP Games events. And I have all the Rule Books, CMP and NRA.

Have fun shooting.


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