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Nodak71 07-06-2020 09:11 AM

WRA Educational Contract Garand
 
Just came up on the auction this morning, WRA 100184. Is already at $3K and reserve not met. Beautiful rifle and fantastic looking stock BUT is a later GHD with the trap. Should be a RS no trap. The only one Duff shows in his data sheet book is 100001 which was retained by WRA. That one has a square wire operating spring, 100184 has a standard round wire spring. Wonder how CMP got this one? Donation? Would be interesting to get Bubba's take on this rifle.

7,62x51mm 07-06-2020 11:22 AM

Nice anneal color too !

The owner of WRA 100180 sent me an email last year when he bought it at Tulsa.

There are quite a few three digit Winchester rifles that are known, origial color was DuLite

T38Carbine 07-06-2020 02:48 PM

I hope it finds a good home...amazing!!

Hunter Mag 07-06-2020 02:57 PM

One of the nicest heel stamps I've seen on a WRA. :GS:

mtlucas0311 07-06-2020 05:07 PM

Is this rifle as close to original as I think? I donít have all the small parts committed to memory, but aside from the stock, the only things I see that I would want to look up is the front sight, op-rod spring, and clip latch. Even the hand guard hardware seems original. Iíll be very interested to see how much this goes for.

Pederson 07-06-2020 07:08 PM

Not even remotely close to original. Some nice early parts, and many correct early parts, big dollar items missing. Unmodified RS stock (hard to find), solid butt plate, early WRA follower rod for comp spring (hard to find), comp spring, keystone spring and there are many small parts visible that are incorrect and several small parts that can't be seen well enough in the photos to verify.

mtlucas0311 07-06-2020 08:37 PM

The stock is what it is, but this seems like a pretty legit rifle to say that it isnít remotely close, donít you think? Youíve got the barrel, youíve got the sights, you have the bolt, handguards/hardware, uncut op rod, gas cylinder, and maybe most (if not all) of the trigger group? Am I assuming some of those are correct when they are not? Obviously thereís a lot of parts left, but the big pieces all seem to be there. If one were inclined to correct this rifle, itís in a pretty good starting point, donít you think?

Pederson 07-06-2020 09:23 PM

Based on the photos the barrel is not correct, elevation knob is not correct, can't see the rest of the rear sight base to determine if it is correct or not, firing pin is not correct, ejector spring is not correct, can't tell if the trigger guard is correct from the pictures (proper view isn't included) but I doubt as the salient feature has never been published, trigger does not appear correct, rear handguard clip is not correct, bullet guide is not correct, follower slide is not correct, to confirm the handguards would best be inspected in person, plus all mentioned earlier missing parts such as RS stock, follower rod, comp spring, keystone spring, solid butt plate and so on. If you can find the RS stock, early WRA follower rod, comp spring and keystone spring, those four items in sum are pushing 5 figures today.

WRA Educational Order M1 Rifles are very unique. There is so much to know about these rifles, very little of it has ever been published. Is the Gas Cylinder correct and nice, you bet. Op Rod also, early WRA bolt, EO safeties have been published and without the hammer released it appears to be correct and several other pieces.

Original, not close. Correct? As you point out, some nice pieces to start with and work from, my experience indicates that the hardest to find parts for this period are not on the rifle. Mtlucas0311, please take me in all respect, just laying it out as I see it. Yes, this is nice piece... as is yours, the most important part being the receiver.

The best information source to date has been The Garand Stand (not my publication, for the record). For as much has been published, just as much hasn't been published about this group of M1 Rifles.

mtlucas0311 07-06-2020 09:44 PM

No worries on my end, Iím just chatting. I know a little, but far from an expert. I am curious what you donít like about the barrel? There seems to be so many fewer variations of WRA parts than Springfield, when I see early numbered parts together I generally assume theyíre original. Like you mentioned, the stock is a huge hurdle, and even if you cough up 6 or 8 grand for one, everybody knows itís not original because anyone who is serious enough to be a player on this level of rifle seems to know where the others are and what condition theyíve been in through the years. Iíve been waiting a long time to see one of these pop up on auction, I thought for sure one would come out of the Philippines.

Mike.

Pederson 07-06-2020 10:04 PM

100202 sold on CMP Auction in 2017, a very nice receiver.
https://cmpauction.thecmp.org/detail...ice-WRA-100202

The one before that, 100038, sold for $4001 in April 2014. (don't think the auction link works anymore)
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=135110

Nice cadence they have going every three years, just realized that. Will be interesting to see how this ends.

Rstar50 07-07-2020 07:24 AM

Link to an article about the WRA Ed. Contract Garands.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/art...hester-garand/

mtlucas0311 07-07-2020 10:31 AM

Thanks for those links, I hadn’t seen the one from 2017. But I was aware of the one before it. You didn’t mention what seemed off about the barrel. I’m interested in what you noticed.

Rolling Thunder 07-07-2020 12:31 PM

The receiver is an Educational Order in serial number only. Do we all assume the first 500, 100001 to 100500 were made in strict serial number order, tested, accepted and delivered? From Winchester?? This is not close to logical reality.

One item is interesting: There is no drawing number on the receiver side.

Since when do we all take those descriptions on the CMP auctions seriously? Look at the IHC Type 2 NM and the SA 4302461 TYpe 1 NM descriptions. Really?

Phrogpilot 07-07-2020 06:39 PM

Now THAT is interesting!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolling Thunder (Post 1952230)
One item is interesting: There is no drawing number on the receiver side.


Ohio Don 07-07-2020 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolling Thunder (Post 1952230)
The receiver is an Educational Order in serial number only. Do we all assume the first 500, 100001 to 100500 were made in strict serial number order, tested, accepted and delivered? From Winchester?? This is not close to logical reality.

One item is interesting: There is no drawing number on the receiver side.

Since when do we all take those descriptions on the CMP auctions seriously? Look at the IHC Type 2 NM and the SA 4302461 TYpe 1 NM descriptions. Really?

So what to you says the IHC isn't a NM rifle?

Clemenza 07-09-2020 05:58 AM

educational
 
I once owned WRA 100883..education..who knows, but I never tried to restore it and it sat for years as a nice desk ornament. DHM is absolutely correct in his statement concerning assembly in numerical order. Was down visiting CMP South 8-10 years ago, and I was talking to Floyd and asked him a question concerning early WRA trigger housings. He then walked over 5 feet to his right to a filing cabinet with about 10 narrow draws. Pulled one open and it was completely full of original early and late WRA complete groups. Then another draw with complete early and late WRA rear sights complete including spanner nut and checkered. A couple more and I was convinced he had squirreled away just about every rare part they found. As to the Auction WRA.....I am completely convinced that rifle was found basically original with a couple parts added and then the stock. Original Education Order would be worth more than a similar condition mid-late GT. IMHO of course. I guess it hits north of 8K. C

Nodak71 07-15-2020 07:47 AM

This one is at $7601 now, I will be surprised if it doesn't go over $10K. Last I looked there appeared to be 2 or possibly 3 bidders running it up, yep I bid $1 just to snoop on the bidding.

7,62x51mm 07-15-2020 10:30 AM

once you buy it you can look for a no trap WRA RS stock, keystone & comp spring, numbered (inside) rear hand guard and a B8875-0 bullet guide like s/n 100180 has inside

Gmercury2000 07-16-2020 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7,62x51mm (Post 1954405)
once you buy it you can look for a no trap WRA RS stock, keystone & comp spring, numbered (inside) rear hand guard and a B8875-0 bullet guide like s/n 100180 has inside

Yeah, and darn near double the price of the rifle for those parts lol. That rifle has some very cool old pieces but for me, just missing too much to justify the price. Of course to each their own. Regardless it will make a very cool piece to someone's collection.


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