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jdwboy 03-06-2014 01:01 PM

Old veteran (Viet Nam)
 
The M16A1 was a POS. I still can't believe it's still the issue rifle (M4 M16 bleh).

When first issued it was a jam-o-matic. We were told it didn't need cleaning. Yeah right.

The barrel was so thin you could easily warp it. (done when using open end flash hiders to open case of c-rats.)

We all tried to get our M14s back.

It's really too bad the SCAR-16 didn't make it but the SCAR-17 is still in service (along with the M14), something about a piston gun's reliability.

missilegeek 03-06-2014 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdwboy (Post 1036671)
The M16A1 was a POS. I still can't believe it's still the issue rifle (M4 M16 bleh).

When first issued it was a jam-o-matic. We were told it didn't need cleaning. Yeah right.

If the M1 had been rushed into combat use as the M16 was, it would have had a similar reputation.

(1) The gas trap system.
(2) The rifle needed grease.

That and the M16A1 is not the issued rifle.

Quote:

It's really too bad the SCAR-16 didn't make it but the SCAR-17 is still in service (along with the M14), something about a piston gun's reliability.
No, something about needing a 7.62 autoloader in certain situations and the M14 was still in the system.

jdwboy 03-06-2014 01:16 PM

sigh
 
The "original" rifle was an AR15 (armalite 15). The M16 was the next rifle issued with the "A1" about a year later with forward assist etc.

Now being as the basis for the current (M16A4 (Marines) and the M4 & M4A1) rifles and carbines is basically identical to the original riles with a few doo dads added on (better feed ramps, rails and all kinds of tacti-cool stuff) it's still basically the same rifle. Like saying a 327 Chevy small-block (stock) isn't the same basic engine as a fuel injected supercharged one.

Newer designs are using piston operating systems.. (back to the future?) too much stuff gets blown back into the receiver for reliable extended operation. Couple that with the pencil barrels (M4) as the original M16s had you get malfunctions. Notice the M4A1 is going back to the original full-auto.

Yes the M1 had a few years before WWII to iron some kinks out, and the M16 should have had more development before being issued to the troops in a combat zone but that doesn't change the basic weapon. It is what it is.


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