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Jay_Dubya 01-18-2021 11:33 AM

Question for buyers in Maryland
 
Do I need to submit a copy of my HQL with my 1911 Round 2 application?

ken792 01-18-2021 11:52 AM

C&R handguns do not require HQL, so it’s not required.

I’m not sure if you can use the HQL as proof of marksmanship activity since it is possible to get one without live fire with one of the training exemptions

cmp1911admin 01-18-2021 09:15 PM

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What is a HQL?

Jay_Dubya 01-18-2021 09:36 PM

Stands for Handgun Qualification License. It's been around since 2013 and is required to purchase a regulated firearm. I was told it is not required to purchase a C&R handgun.

fly by night 03-03-2021 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay_Dubya (Post 2005779)
Stands for Handgun Qualification License. It's been around since 2013 and is required to purchase a regulated firearm. I was told it is not required to purchase a C&R handgun.

I was told by my FFL that the CMP 1911s were not considered C&R firearms and that an HQL was required to receive one. Just another way to ring the cash register!

FBN

ken792 03-03-2021 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fly by night (Post 2021712)
I was told by my FFL that the CMP 1911s were not considered C&R firearms and that an HQL was required to receive one. Just another way to ring the cash register!

FBN

Find another FFL

fly by night 03-03-2021 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ken792 (Post 2021729)
Find another FFL

He said the Maryland State Police look at CMP 1911's as regular Colt 45s, which is kinda hard to argue with, since they are fully functional. At any rate I already got my HQL, so it doesn't matter to me.

FBN

And no, I do not believe you need to submit your HQL in your CMP package.

tlock 03-03-2021 09:09 PM

I did not want to take a chance that my application would be denied, so I submitted it with my paperwork, and I happy to say I received a nice Remington Rand.

ken792 03-03-2021 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fly by night (Post 2021800)
He said the Maryland State Police look at CMP 1911's as regular Colt 45s, which is kinda hard to argue with, since they are fully functional. At any rate I already got my HQL, so it doesn't matter to me.

FBN

Nothing mentioning CMP gets submitted with the 77R though. It gets entered with the original manufacturer and serial number. MSP would not know if it came from CMP or from another vendor. Maryland’s law mentioning C&R handguns being HQL exempt specifically says C&R by the federal definition. Nothing in either definition says it has to be nonfunctioning.

I know a few people who have gotten their CMP 1911s in MD by checking the C&R exemption on the 77R.

j634 03-03-2021 09:54 PM

This thread is mixing some elements of the application for a MD applicant. Specifically
#3 - Marksmanship or other Firearms Related Activity
#4 - Legal Eligibility to purchase a Firearm

I personally know someone that used his HQL for #3 in Round 1 and CMP accepted it as proof as "familiarity with safe handling" but specifically called out in the list items "Firearms Owner Identification Card that includes live fire training". I do not speak for the CMP but he as a nice 1911 and I saw it.

I do not have a C&R and to purchase any handgun including a C&R in MD, I do have an HQL. I provided my HQL for #4 Legal Eligibility to purchase a firearm. I submitted a photocopy as proof I can legally purchase a handgun in MD. Yes, I know I can check C&R on my 77R at the FFL once the FFL in MD receives the 1911.

But the CMP requested the following as part of #4 which I read as requesting my HQL for their requirements:
Important: If your State or locality requires you first obtain a license, permit, Firearms Owner ID card or COE in order to posses or receive a pistol, you must include a photo copy of your license, permit or card with the application.

The OP did not mention which item he was asking using the HQL for.

CadillacMike 03-04-2021 01:29 AM

I thought that the CMP was not treating these M1911s as special i.e. C&R items. Being a handgun, you Still need to take final delivery from a (non C&R) FFL

ken792 03-04-2021 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j634 (Post 2021867)
This thread is mixing some elements of the application for a MD applicant. Specifically
#3 - Marksmanship or other Firearms Related Activity
#4 - Legal Eligibility to purchase a Firearm

I personally know someone that used his HQL for #3 in Round 1 and CMP accepted it as proof as "familiarity with safe handling" but specifically called out in the list items "Firearms Owner Identification Card that includes live fire training". I do not speak for the CMP but he as a nice 1911 and I saw it.

I do not have a C&R and to purchase any handgun including a C&R in MD, I do have an HQL. I provided my HQL for #4 Legal Eligibility to purchase a firearm. I submitted a photocopy as proof I can legally purchase a handgun in MD. Yes, I know I can check C&R on my 77R at the FFL once the FFL in MD receives the 1911.

But the CMP requested the following as part of #4 which I read as requesting my HQL for their requirements:
Important: If your State or locality requires you first obtain a license, permit, Firearms Owner ID card or COE in order to posses or receive a pistol, you must include a photo copy of your license, permit or card with the application.

The OP did not mention which item he was asking using the HQL for.

It’s possible to obtain an HQL without live fire training, like by having previously owned a regulated firearm lawfully or having completed any hunter safety course. I don’t know if CMP has a policy of flat out accepting HQLs for proof of marksmanship activity or if they want supporting documentation that it was obtained with a live fire method.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CadillacMike (Post 2021895)
I thought that the CMP was not treating these M1911s as special i.e. C&R items. Being a handgun, you Still need to take final delivery from a (non C&R) FFL

CMP isn’t allowed to transfer them to an FFL03, but the receiving FFL01 can.

MD requires the state handgun license to take possession of a modern handgun, but C&R handguns are exempt from that state requirement.

waynewash 03-04-2021 05:03 PM

Hql
 
Sent my HQL in with my package for round 1. Also had to do the MSP check after dealer received my 1911. Pretty easy.

bpm32 03-04-2021 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ken792 (Post 2021913)
CMP isn’t allowed to transfer them to an FFL03, but the receiving FFL01 can.

A Maryland 03 FFL-holder would still have to go through a waiting period for a transfer from an MD 01 FFL though, wouldn’t he? This is such an odd case, I’m actually not sure. My guess would be that once the C&R firearm arrives at an MD 01, it becomes “a Maryland transfer” and having the 03 FFL gets you nothing.

ken792 03-05-2021 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bpm32 (Post 2022300)
A Maryland 03 FFL-holder would still have to go through a waiting period for a transfer from an MD 01 FFL though, wouldn’t he? This is such an odd case, I’m actually not sure. My guess would be that once the C&R firearm arrives at an MD 01, it becomes “a Maryland transfer” and having the 03 FFL gets you nothing.

Yes, still need a 77R and everything that entails for in-state transfers.

I know some people who have the MD FFL01 hand off C&R handguns to an out of state FFL01 like at gun shows so they can pick them up immediately as an FFL03.

MD FFL03s can still get C&R firearms shipped to them and they’ll be exempt from the long gun private transfer ban about to go into effect.

JS Esq. 03-05-2021 09:07 AM

Did any Marylanders here in round 1 have the CMP 1911 shipped to an out-of-state FFL and have them send it to you directly as a C&R holder? I could see it saving a few days but might cost more as you'd presumably have to pay shipping from the FFL.

FWIW, I included my HQL just in case they were enforcing MD as a need-license-to-obtain-handgun state (used C&R for marksmanship/firearm activity requirement).

ken792 03-05-2021 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JS Esq. (Post 2022369)
Did any Marylanders here in round 1 have the CMP 1911 shipped to an out-of-state FFL and have them send it to you directly as a C&R holder? I could see it saving a few days but might cost more as you'd presumably have to pay shipping from the FFL.

FWIW, I included my HQL just in case they were enforcing MD as a need-license-to-obtain-handgun state (used C&R for marksmanship/firearm activity requirement).

No one I know attempted that, though I’m not even sure if CMP would ship to an FFL in a different state. It would have been cheaper to pick up at a VA FFL for $25 and walk out the same day instead of paying the $50 and sometimes $50+$10 at an MD FFL and have to make two trips.

microwaveguy 03-05-2021 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JS Esq. (Post 2022369)
Did any Marylanders here in round 1 have the CMP 1911 shipped to an out-of-state FFL and have them send it to you directly as a C&R holder? I could see it saving a few days but might cost more as you'd presumably have to pay shipping from the FFL.

FWIW, I included my HQL just in case they were enforcing MD as a need-license-to-obtain-handgun state (used C&R for marksmanship/firearm activity requirement).

I asked a similar question about having a 1911 shipped to NV so I could pick up with my C&R. The answer was the CMP will only ship to FFL 01 in your state.

JS Esq. 03-05-2021 10:20 AM

Yup, $50 + $10 because you need to do MSP 77R.

JS Esq. 03-05-2021 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by microwaveguy (Post 2022407)
I asked a similar question about having a 1911 shipped to NV so I could pick up with my C&R. The answer was the CMP will only ship to FFL 01 in your state.

Makes sense. Thanks.

fly by night 03-05-2021 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JS Esq. (Post 2022369)
Did any Marylanders here in round 1 have the CMP 1911 shipped to an out-of-state FFL and have them send it to you directly as a C&R holder? I could see it saving a few days but might cost more as you'd presumably have to pay shipping from the FFL.

FWIW, I included my HQL just in case they were enforcing MD as a need-license-to-obtain-handgun state (used C&R for marksmanship/firearm activity requirement).


I did not include my HQL in my round 2 packet because, a) I didn't think it was required, and b) I didn't have it yet. Do we know for sure if the HQL is required in the packet for CMP 1911's to be shipped to Maryland? Can it be provided after the fact?

BlueBadger 03-16-2021 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fly by night (Post 2022437)
I did not include my HQL in my round 2 packet because, a) I didn't think it was required, and b) I didn't have it yet. Do we know for sure if the HQL is required in the packet for CMP 1911's to be shipped to Maryland? Can it be provided after the fact?

The CMP packet says state or locality requirements laws and lists a FOID for Illinois. On the last page it says:

"If your State or locality requires you to
first obtain a license, permit, Firearms Owner ID card
or Certificate of Eligibility (COE) in order to possess
or receive a pistol, you must enclose a photocopy of
your license, permit, or card with the application for
purchase."


Since the HQL is required to purchase a handgun after Oct 1 2013 in Maryland, I think it must be included. The CMP will likely not accept any late packets or additions. I imagine that if information is missing they'll toss the packet and move on. I'm no expert, but I think it's written right there. Sorry

bpm32 03-16-2021 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueBadger (Post 2026233)
The CMP packet says state or locality requirements laws and lists a FOID for Illinois. On the last page it says:

"If your State or locality requires you to
first obtain a license, permit, Firearms Owner ID card
or Certificate of Eligibility (COE) in order to possess
or receive a pistol, you must enclose a photocopy of
your license, permit, or card with the application for
purchase."


Since the HQL is required to purchase a handgun after Oct 1 2013 in Maryland, I think it must be included. The CMP will likely not accept any late packets or additions. I imagine that if information is missing they'll toss the packet and move on. I'm no expert, but I think it's written right there. Sorry

MD doesn’t require an HQL for any C&R firearms (that aren’t otherwise banned)....for any MD resident, not just 03FFL holders.

A lot of the confusion in this thread has to do with posters not making the distinction between C&R firearms and the 03 FFL, which is colloquially “a C&R”.

Jay_Dubya 03-18-2021 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fly by night (Post 2022437)
I did not include my HQL in my round 2 packet because, a) I didn't think it was required, and b) I didn't have it yet. Do we know for sure if the HQL is required in the packet for CMP 1911's to be shipped to Maryland? Can it be provided after the fact?

I didn't include a copy of my HQL either. Hope this wasn't an error on my part. Only time will tell.


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