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jakesdadjake 06-06-2021 07:46 PM

M44us
 
Years ago someone was mfg aluminum replacement triggerguards for the M44US.
Anybody know if those are still available or if perhaps there are other alternatives?


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T38Carbine 06-06-2021 08:39 PM

https://www.havlinsales.com/

broomhandle 06-07-2021 10:00 AM

There are GREAT people to deal with!

broomhandle

dave tengdin 06-09-2021 12:14 PM

I bought one of these M44's years ago but haven't ever shot it. Now I'm thinking about giving it a try. What kind of ammo do they like best? What sort of accuracy are they capable of?

broomhandle 06-09-2021 02:34 PM

Hi Dave,

They are accurate rifles the barrels were all hand lapped by people that did it correctly. It was a introduction to precision shooting & it did well for it's purpose. Stock shape is not bad, but there are other stocks that are better.

The stock trigger is OK ,but with a little work can be made much better.
It will never be as good as Anzehutz, Winchester, Remington or H&R target rifle. But it much better then other so called accurate 22 rifles.

Does your twenty year old pickup have as much power & accessory's as a new 2021 Ford, Chevy or Chrysler pick up?
I have my M-44 for about 55 years & I STILL love it! :GS:
You will have people here willing to buy it if is posted for sale.

Try it you WILL like it!
broom

dave tengdin 06-10-2021 02:15 PM

I bought it when CMP was selling them for $175 and it seemed they couldn't get rid of them even at that price. Mostly I've been shooting the 52-D, Kimber 82G, and Rem 40-X I bought because those are so much more capable, and match shooting was my primary focus. But shooting them is something of a production and formal. Some times a guy just wants to plink, and doesn't want to mess around with a 14 pound rifle. For that I have a bunch more; Win 1906, Win 62, Rem 121, MAS 45, Ans 1415-1416, Ruger 1022, Win 9422 / 9422M, Browning T-2, Springfield 1922 and the M44. Now you can see how I just might not have gotten around to shooting it!

I'm expecting it would probably shoot similar to either the T-2 (which isn't very accurate) or the MAS 45, but not as good as the Ans 1415-1416. Better than the pump gun repeaters

T38Carbine 06-10-2021 03:38 PM

I’m not a match shooter per say…but it will do way better than your average commercial.22. IMO

captaincalc 06-12-2021 09:52 AM

I've shot a lot of the CMP (surplus) Remington and Olin ammo out of mine and can expect mostly baseball to softball sized groups out of my 44US with them at a hundred yards. Sure some flyers here and there, but the little rifle shoots nice. I haven't really spent any time trying out any of the more exotic ammo through them. The gun is pretty much stock - tho' I did polish the trigger some, being very careful NOT to polish too much as the surface is case hardened as I recall. And as a matter of full-disclosure, my shots are generally off a rest only, hand held rest granted, but I don't do as well doing offhand, etc.

Charlie Flick 06-18-2021 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakesdadjake (Post 2051756)
Years ago someone was mfg aluminum replacement triggerguards for the M44US. Anybody know if those are still available or if perhaps there are other alternatives?

The guy who was making the machined aluminum trigger guards stopped making them about 10 years ago. They were excellent and fit perfectly.

Havlins does have a modern plastic reproduction. I have bought a couple of them. They are not drop in pieces as they require some hand fitting. Even so, they are about the only game in town for these TGs and with a little bit of work on your part you will end up with an acceptable replacement.

Regards,
Charlie

broomhandle 06-18-2021 08:30 PM

Hi Fellows,

I took my warped -TRIGGER- guard off & put it in hot water till it softened up a bit had to do it three or four times to get the feel for it!
It finally snapped in place with a two or three clamps & the original screws. Have some one handy because you need four hands!:eek:
It still fits correctly eight years later. If your breaks Havlin is there as a back up! Knowing there was a "backup" allowed me to give it a try!

Good LUCK,
broom

Normanclature 09-23-2021 03:04 PM

Is it safe to shoot .22 longs and .22 shorts in the M44?

broomhandle 09-23-2021 03:15 PM

Yes you may need a original mag to feed from the mag! It works well & it is very quiet.

broom

edlmann 09-23-2021 10:00 PM

Only thing I'd add is that you need to clean the chamber well after shooting shorts. Assuming that shorts even still exist.

Normanclature 09-23-2021 10:03 PM

Thanks Broom.

I have a repro mag with the screw for the shorter cartridge. If that does not work, I will single load.
From your response, I assume you have shot the longs and shorts from an M44 and that it is safe to do so and that it will not damage the rifle. I only have a few of these that I will be sending down the bbl.

Normanclature 09-23-2021 10:05 PM

And thank you edlmann for that advice on cleaning the chamber.

broomhandle 09-23-2021 11:10 PM

Hi Normanclature,

I don't think anyone make long's any more. I have not seen them on sale in years, think I have a full box of 50 out in the garage. :confused:

Just clean the chamber well as more powder residue will build up if you shoot a bunch of them. As edlmann's well written post mentioned. Just like a 38 Special bullet in a 357 revolver. It's been a while since I fired any 22 shorts. The older rifles were made to shoot shorts longs & Long rifle mixed in a tube mag.
You will not damage the chamber unless your fire thousands of them. The powder charge is light.

Enjoy it,:GS:
broom

navyrifleman 09-25-2021 09:14 AM

I can remember back when Shorts, Longs, and Long Rifle .22's were all available at any local hardware store. The prices were something like: 50 cents, 55 cents, and 60 cents respectively.

As a kid, I would often go for the shorts because they were the least expensive. That was back when you tried to make every dollar go as far as possible. In fact, you would be lucky to have as much as a whole dollar in your pocket!

I have only seen long rifle .22's for sale in the past 30 or more years.

These days, my favorite brand is Federal Long Rifle hollow points, which seem to work well in all of my .22's.

nate 09-25-2021 10:17 AM

Midway lists 22 longs for sale by cci and they say mixed availability and by Winchester saying coming soon so they appear to be out there for sale..

ZvenoMan 09-25-2021 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broomhandle (Post 2055853)
Hi Fellows,

I took my warped -TRIGGER- guard off & put it in hot water till it softened up a bit had to do it three or four times to get the feel for it!
It finally snapped in place with a two or three clamps & the original screws. Have some one handy because you need four hands!:eek:
It still fits correctly eight years later. If your breaks Havlin is there as a back up! Knowing there was a "backup" allowed me to give it a try!

Good LUCK,
broom

I did that too. Worked great. About a week later it disintegrated!
Called Mr. Havelin and all is well.

They aren't hard to fit. Mossberg used 3 or 4 variations of this triggerguard, the difference (on other Mossberg models) is in the length and shape of the end below/aft of the trigger. Instead of the expense to make 4 or so different models , Mr. Havelin made one, the largest so it fits all, you just need to trim the tail end. 30 minutes with hand tools, 5 in a well equipped shop.

These are great little rifles and a bit of oil and polish makes them stand out at the range.
JH

broomhandle 09-26-2021 08:44 AM

Hello All,

A little off topic but it has merit! PSA / Palmetto arms has various types of 22 ammo & many other calibers too in stock. On the Buy of the Day section of their website! Some items have free shipping!

I ordered two bricks of the CCI blue box TARGET standard velocity 22 ammo.
40 grain lead round nose 1070 fps They were shipped to me in one working day! Prices were higher then in the past but I HAVE them for future use

Older shooters told the older rifles were made for and will preform better with the standard rounds. So I bought some when I can find them. In my actual practice at the ranges I shoot 25/50 &100 yards I really have not seen much difference. :o I'm usually the weak link!

Enjoy EVERY day!
broom

broomhandle 09-26-2021 08:51 AM

Hi Zevnoman,

Sorry it did not work for you! I'm hoping the Havlin's will be active for a few more years ! Good People a pleasure to talk to, I met them at a few SHOT shows!

I wonder if someone has ever tried to make a trigger guard using a laser printer? I have seen some nice stuff done that way. I have no idea of how it works or the cost of a machine to do it!

Take care,
broom

ZvenoMan 09-26-2021 04:11 PM

Broom, I think you mean 3D printer.
Of course it will work; the material used by the printer will make all the difference.
A low end machine may be had in the $150 and up range. Supplies are a significant cost, of course.
These are not like plugging in headphones, there is a learning curve to printing form a file.
And if you don't have a file (I doubt there is a "Mossberg M44 Triggerguard file available) then you must design the part, another, completely separate learning curve.

So, if you need one, buy it from Mr. Havelin. If you are already into 3D printing this could be an entertaining project. But you would need to sell a bunch to simply pay for the time designing, test printing, redoing, and finally making them.
Like taking a drill rifle and restoring it to a shooter, you don't do it for the profit (-$200 plus or minus), but the journey.
Here's an interesting read about a guy making a mag for a rimfire.
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum...ighlight=print
Clearly more complex than a Mossberg triggerguard but it shows the process, and he already had the printer, the CAD software, and the skill.
It's a few years old; he used a filament printer. Today resin printers are gaining traction, and allow for more choices in material to address structural needs. But, while some manufacturing entities have printers that use various metals (I'm sure those machines are 6-figures) they aren't common.
It won't be long where you can 3D scan an item and enter how many copies you want. A bit longer before it's available at an effective price to the masses.

I didn't expect much from trying to fix mine. The material used to make them seems to have suffered mostly form time. If I recall many of the "new" M44s CMP sold had broken triggerguards. There are millions of types of plastics, some just deteriorate over time.

broomhandle 09-26-2021 10:00 PM

Hi ZvenoMan,

Your correct, I meant a 3D printer! I'm not a computer or technology person as you can tell!:o I'm happy with the talents I have.

A local fellow made me a holder for my Colt 1911,that has a raised surface that fits the Mag well! & a place for eight bullets. Which just happens to balance the pistol well on the stand! :)
He is not a computer guy, so he must have a file to make it up. He mentioned the unit was a entry level machine. It's done very well!
I'm still having issues with basic computers & Cell phones that are much smarter then I am! I don't think I'll be buying one soon.
Pulled out my Mossberg M 44, the trigger guard is still in good shape!

I enjoy all your posts,
broom

ZvenoMan 09-29-2021 10:46 AM

Thanks Mr. Broomhandle!
These old Mossbergs are a lot of fun for the money.
JH

broomhandle 09-29-2021 11:01 PM

Hi ZvenoMan,

One day I have to take the M44 out with the H&R M-12 on a head to head competition. The H&R has a better trigger by a mile, but that Mossburg held it's own against them years ago! :)

Take care out there,
broom

chief jeff 10-09-2021 06:20 PM

Grandson and I shot m-44 today. Having issue with ejecting all but last round in mag. Saftey I think is not working properly. put on safe pull tigger, when move off safe fires. Sighted in fine. Was using SK standard plus ammo years old. think I need to complete disassemble and detail clean, hopefully find issues. Trigger guard is very shrunken. May just have to call Havlins on Monday or Tuesday.

broomhandle 10-10-2021 09:54 AM

Hello Chief Jeff,

Lots of good info here te M-44 and at Rimfire central too Mossburg section of board
I hope it get it up & working so your grandson can use it with his grandson!:)

Enjoy everyday,
broom


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