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Talyn1 01-13-2019 07:53 PM

Yea, I don't expect a response.

missilegeek 01-13-2019 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy2171 (Post 1792570)
Good luck getting a response...

Rules team still can't explain why WW2/KW era vintage semis are stuck competing in the MM class...nothing like shooting a 1950 rifle against a 2017 rifle...


Because the "rules team" isn't accountable to the customer and lacks actual experience/historical knowledge.

rickgman 01-13-2019 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by missilegeek (Post 1792600)
Because the "rules team" isn't accountable to the customer and lacks actual experience/historical knowledge.

You bring up a couple of very good points.

mac1911 01-13-2019 10:10 PM

What a PITA. My RRA A2 with A1 length stock is 7.6lbs on my scale.
When MM first came about and the "military contour" barrel rule was "in" I could not find a "military contour" barrel in stock except some old collectable 1/12 twist pencil barrels for dumb money.

And I built a Rock Ola with USGI parts kit to maybe go to VT with this year....but nope it wont make weight either.
Should be real simple M16 pattern rifle.
Sights basic A1/A2 sights with a max sight radius ?
Matters not if detach or not to me.
No free float tubes
4.5# trigger
Under 8lbs

Seems like theres not many M1a making weight . Maybe they are trying to push them out of MM?

Honeslty theres not much modern in MM . After all its based on grand dads service rifles.

Mountain 01-14-2019 11:01 AM

Extremely disappointed with CMP's revolving door policy with rules changes. Absolutely horrible decision making.

I had already converted my Modern Military AR to a lightweight scope to help compensate for aging eyes. Coming from a ban state, I'll have to drill out or just cut off the welded thread protector to reinstall a front sight. I probably won't bother, because I know it won't make weight despite the configuration being otherwise fully compliant with the rules. I have a 20" USGI specification barrel in it and old school triangular handguards that I think are lighter than the modern round ones, but it's still going to be over 7.5 lbs unless I get a pencil barrel, chop the existing barrel, and/or go to one of those expensive lightweight upper receivers.

Guess I could just shoot my M1A? Oh, nevermind- that also is over the 'new' weight limit. I know several folks shooting walnut stocked M1A's in CMP matches and as far as I recall, none will be 9.0 lbs or less.

Probably I will just forget the Monkeyshines Military class and grab my service rifle to shoot the Unlimited class. However, I am tempted to build a technically compliant Modern Mil abomination via cutting down an old White Oak service rifle barrel I have. I'll free float it and use ultra-light parts to compensate for the barrel weight. I think an obnoxious paint scheme would be in order as well.

Talyn1 01-14-2019 11:47 AM

I ordered a Windham A2 front end (20" govt. profile) this morning and should have it by the end of the week. I'll weigh it when I get it to add to the 4.1 lbs. weight of everything behind it right now. It should end up less than 8 lbs.

Will weigh it again once assembled.

Maybe I could fit some small helium-filled balloons/condoms inside the grip and buttstock compartment to lighten it up :)

Mountain 01-14-2019 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Talyn1 (Post 1792752)
I ordered a Windham A2 front end (20" govt. profile) this morning and should have it by the end of the week. I'll weigh it when I get it to add to the 4.1 lbs. weight of everything behind it right now. It should end up less than 8 lbs.

Will weigh it again once assembled.

Maybe I could fit some small helium-filled balloons/condoms inside the grip and buttstock compartment to lighten it up :)

Don't forget that hydrogen is lighter than helium. ;)

FF1915 01-14-2019 02:31 PM

Removed the stripper clip guide and the ole flipper from my M1A. Ordered a gi front sight from Windy City. Spent most of the morning on the phone with RR and Criterion. Ended up spending around $600 on upper parts and still have some to go. Need to have the front sight installed on the barrel I ordered as there were no provisions for it. Should come in just under weight if I toss the flash hider.

Talyn1 01-14-2019 04:52 PM

It's ironic that CMP develops a Modern Military Rifle Class that's supposed to represent a standard issue military rifle (i.e. M16)..."similar to that of the original military or military-type rifle (5.2.2) but specifies an arbitrary weight that the..."original military or military-type rifle" did not and cannot achieve without the owner using non-standard parts and/or stripping the rifle of the original parts that the "original military or military-type rifle" was produced with.

Besides the weight issue, then CMP allows for..."a float tube or free-floated handguard" (5.2.3) which the standard-issue M16 never was built with.

Talyn1 01-14-2019 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mountain (Post 1792792)
Don't forget that hydrogen is lighter than helium. ;)

Yea but I'd hate to catch fire on the firing line. :cry:


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