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Orlando 08-24-2019 02:52 PM

Are you Buying NOS or Refinished Parts?
 
Here are just a few tips when buying parts listed as NOS , unissued or original finish. I see so many refinished parts on E-Bay being sold as NOS and original finish. There are some sellers trying to take advantage of those who don't know any better and a lot of sellers just don't know any better. It is up to the buyer to arm themselves with information when purchasing parts
First a real simple one is just look at the parts, are there scratches, pitting, dents under the finish? If so these are refinished parts.
Also just because parts come in wrap does not automatically make them NOS. Arsenal repacks can be used parts that were inspected for wear , if they passed they would be refinished and wrapped for future use. Also light gray in color parts, these were parts that were arsenal refinished later

The following does not cover everything but are a few things to look for

NOS gas cylinders do not have stacking swivels attached and threads are not parkerized. The gas cylinder in wrap on left is a used arsenal repack on right NOS
https://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f...psdrgxbagu.jpg
https://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f...pstmktro77.jpg
Stock Swivels, NOS on right, threads not parkerized, on left refinished
https://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f...psvgz7uhrz.jpg
Stock ferrules when refinished the brazing tends to show, more on some than others. This can also happen on lower bands
NOS on right, refinished on left
https://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f...psdcrmidby.jpg
Windage knob threads are shiny on NOS and original finish
NOS on right, refinished on left
https://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f...psydhysxyo.jpg
NOS and original finish elevation knob pinions will be shiny, not parkized
Original finish on right, refinished on left
https://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f...pstbfpmjmw.jpg
NOS & original finish triggers the pins will be shiny not dark
https://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f...psbcjuw5ec.jpg
Same for NOS Post War original finish Op Rod Catches, pins will be in the white. WWII catches and refinished parts pin will be dark
https://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f...pszm7rv3wa.jpg
NOS and original finish Gas Screws the bottom of piston will be shiny, they will be dark if screw is refinished/blackened. Don't mistake carbon build up for chemical blackening
https://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f...pszkrnjpj3.jpg
Inspect the hammer camming lug/spur. It should be proper length, no chips (sometimes people file them to get rid of damage).It should be sharp, zero chips. The two on left are very used, on right NOS
https://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f...psmccuhgjt.jpg
Just a few things to look for, will post more as I have time

Bwcritch 08-24-2019 03:10 PM

Thanks for passing on that bit of knowledge!

cav_cdr 08-24-2019 03:20 PM

Great info, Bill.

insurance guy 08-24-2019 03:47 PM

Parts
 
Thank u for sharing !!!

IndianaRailroader 08-24-2019 03:50 PM

I have one for you, in my quest to find a short fork follower rod, I came across an auction on GB for one that was opened, but still in a wrap dated 1953. Ever heard of a part being replaced during WW2 in a repack that late?

Orlando 08-24-2019 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndianaRailroader (Post 1862927)
I have one for you, in my quest to find a short fork follower rod, I came across an auction on GB for one that was opened, but still in a wrap dated 1953. Ever heard of a part being replaced during WW2 in a repack that late?

How was package marked? I haven't ever seen follower rods packaged singly ,they are usually 10-20 to a package.

T38Carbine 08-24-2019 04:09 PM

Good information...thanks!!

Tommiep54 08-24-2019 04:14 PM

Thank you!

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g3562 08-24-2019 04:29 PM

Good information, Thanks. I've been trying to find Garand elevation pinion w windage knob or lockbar set for my rifle made in 45 and now think the ones I saw was refinished.

IndianaRailroader 08-24-2019 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orlando (Post 1862928)
How was package marked? I haven't ever seen follower rods packaged singly ,they are usually 10-20 to a package.

Z021-5546014
Rod Follower
Quan 1
Method 1
Dec 53 NSC OAK

Orlando 08-24-2019 04:41 PM

Was the package sealed when you got it? Its a arsenal repack, if sealed I would say the packer missed it was a short fork . If not sealed there are two possibilities. As I said before the packer missed it being a short fork or the seller put a short fork in that package to help it sell.
Who knows anything is possible?

MLD 08-24-2019 04:59 PM

Great info! Always look for Orlando posts. Lot of great information offered by Bill. Thanks

IndianaRailroader 08-24-2019 05:04 PM

I didnt buy the part, I just saw it and was really curious about it. The seller had pictures of the pack opened just enough to see the short forks. It was too pricey and I was able to find one from a member here.

johnnv 08-24-2019 05:27 PM

Great information Orlando. This post should be a "sticky"

firekeep 08-24-2019 07:26 PM

Great info! Thanks For sharing

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abarsrecon 08-24-2019 09:01 PM

Thanks Bill. The info on the threads still being in the white, and the pin on the trigger, are great things to look for in NOS parts. Never knew that.

Shomway 08-24-2019 09:17 PM

This is great info Bill...Thanks!!!:2T:

sakorick 08-26-2019 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shomway (Post 1863058)
This is great info Bill...Thanks!!!:2T:




Same here. Way to go, Orlando!

rob30-06 08-26-2019 05:16 PM

This is great info!
 
Bill,
Outstanding information.
I hope you don't mind but I copied it into word so I can store in my files.

Rob

Orlando 08-26-2019 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob30-06 (Post 1863672)
Bill,
Outstanding information.
I hope you don't mind but I copied it into word so I can store in my files.

Rob

Not a problem, anyone wants to copy photos or the post are welcome. This would make a good "sticky" not sure who needs contacted to make it happen

AngryDoug 08-30-2019 09:05 PM

Bill,

As always, thanks for teaching us noobs!

Boomer 08-31-2019 10:09 PM

Very appreciative of you taking time to share your knowledge. Valuable information, Thanks

U.S. M1917 06-10-2020 06:18 AM

thank you

superdave269 06-10-2020 06:29 AM

Thanks Bill for taking the time to create this post. It's time like this I wish the CMP had "like" buttons for post.
BTW Bill has always sent me top rate, first class parts.

peterinsj 08-09-2020 11:04 AM

What do you think of this?
https://photos.app.goo.gl/R7rmTekCrSeywjGZ8

Says it's NOS but the finish looks funky.

Orlando 08-11-2020 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterinsj (Post 1961252)
What do you think of this?
https://photos.app.goo.gl/R7rmTekCrSeywjGZ8

Says it's NOS but the finish looks funky.

Its fine, thats what NOS parts look like when fresh out of VCI package.


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