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Old 11-17-2021, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by John Beard View Post
I respectfully disagree. Quite the opposite. Rather than a decline in quality, I would expect to see an improvement in quality as new and improved equipment, processes, and procedures are put in place.

I do agree with you that updated machinery and modern manufacturing methods will generate more accurate parts, with better materials and lower reject rates, but respectfully disagree that it still takes time to train people, and you can't just shove people with no familiarity in an assembly room and expect them to catch or not make mistakes, no matter how much you train them. When you call a plumber, you hope for the old man, not the son.

Let's face facts: If all it takes is 'this is how you make the parts and this is how you put it together', Chinese products wouldn't be what they are.

Sure, the Chinese can make some decent stuff, but what typically happens to quality when an established manufacturing operation from the US is sent to China? Is the final product as consistent, and of the same quality? Corporate executives say it should be, but the reality.....

I'm not saying that Remington cannot be what it once was. I'm just saying I wouldn't buy a new Remington product for a couple years. There's a big difference between the Smith wheelgun that any one of us put together, versus the one assembled and tested by the guy that has done it for 40 years, and that's the guy that's just going to retire instead of relocate with the plant.

Originally Posted by Slamfire View Post
Originally Posted by ZvenoMan View Post
And to look at Slamfire's description form another view, 20 somethings should be able to assemble them without files and hammers, like the hamburger joint.
21st century production relying on CNG processing shouldn't require hand fitting.

A 1911 produced on such a production line should have closer tolerances than one produced 50 or 75 or 100 years ago.

Yes, absolutely true, and I see in over the counter guns. I remember the late series 70's and the series 80 I own.

This rattles.

This does not

Nor does this, even though it was $100 less and is a bargain basement product line by the manufacturer. And it also made of 4140 steels

Then I will say it. The earliest 1911's are made from dead soft plain carbon steels. The WW2 issue 1911's are made from plain carbon steels, and per an article I saw, only the first two inches of the slide is heat treated. I think there had to be a surface hardening, but I could be wrong. Those GI pistols wore out. Modern pistols, when kept lubricated, the frame to slides don't wear. At least that is the experience of a number of Bullseye shooters I ask. Literally hundreds of thousands of rounds and the frames and slides don't crack or wear out. Barrels wear out, hammers and sears wear out, but the main structural elements last. And they don't need to be refitted.

This was made to a precision that would be unbelievable prior to 1990.
Agreed 100%, but a large part of that is material science, and not necessarily any sort of manufacturing revolution.
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