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Old 06-11-2021, 11:24 AM
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Can any resident experts on the 1903 tell me anything about this 1903 Springfield I recently acquired?

https://imgur.com/gallery/CLUEK3Q
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Old 06-11-2021, 11:52 AM
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The barrel 5/20, bolt J6 and serial number all fall into the relatively correct time period of may 1920 -- does the end of the barrel have a * stamped into it? http://www.vishooter.net/m1903/MZL_STR.JPG

http://www.vishooter.net/m1903.html
Mr Beard's website is a good place to start.

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Old 06-11-2021, 01:03 PM
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No hit for #1196717, Closest were:
1196747 032332 Conn NG
1196725 121620 Holter Rifle Test
1196783NM 081726 NM to SA

The hole in the receiver on the right lower part of the bridge should be paired
with another hole toward the rear. This could have been for a Lyman 48 receiver
sight. AzMedic asked about he star guage mark on the muzzle. If it is there it
is evidence of a NM rifle. The missing rear sight suggests that the rifle was used
with a receiver sight. The receiver aperture sight is superior to the barrel mounted
sight for target/competition shooting.

The closeness to a National Match rifle sn and the evidence that it at one time was
used as a competition rifle and may have been a National Match 1903. Don't get
your hopes up but it might be a NM.
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Old 06-11-2021, 02:50 PM
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The barrel 5/20, bolt J6 and serial number all fall into the relatively correct time period of may 1920 -- does the end of the barrel have a * stamped into it? http://www.vishooter.net/m1903/MZL_STR.JPG

http://www.vishooter.net/m1903.html
Mr Beard's website is a good place to start.
Barrel doesn't have the star on the muzzle. That wasn't started till 1921.

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No hit for #1196717, Closest were:
1196747 032332 Conn NG
1196725 121620 Holter Rifle Test
1196783NM 081726 NM to SA

The hole in the receiver on the right lower part of the bridge should be paired
with another hole toward the rear. This could have been for a Lyman 48 receiver
sight. AzMedic asked about he star guage mark on the muzzle. If it is there it
is evidence of a NM rifle. The missing rear sight suggests that the rifle was used
with a receiver sight. The receiver aperture sight is superior to the barrel mounted
sight for target/competition shooting.

The closeness to a National Match rifle sn and the evidence that it at one time was
used as a competition rifle and may have been a National Match 1903. Don't get
your hopes up but it might be a NM.
According to at least one expert on 1903's, there's a 98% chance that this is a NM rifle.The receiver is drilled and tapped for a Lyman RS sight. Polished J6 bolt, polished rails, receiver/barrel date, it has the checkered trigger. I have no clue. That's why I posted here in hopes of some expert opinions. Research On Mr Beard's web site and other sites certainly has me thinking.
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Old 06-12-2021, 12:54 PM
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No hit for #1196717, Closest were:
1196747 032332 Conn NG
1196725 121620 Holter Rifle Test
1196783NM 081726 NM to SA


The closeness to a National Match rifle sn and the evidence that it at one time was
used as a competition rifle and may have been a National Match 1903. Don't get
your hopes up but it might be a NM.
I think it may well be a National Match. Does the left "raceway" in the chamber look polished?
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Old 06-12-2021, 04:03 PM
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I think it may well be a National Match. Does the left "raceway" in the chamber look polished?
Yes it's polished.
As I said in the op, one expert on Springfield's had told me it was a NM.
Prior to posting here, I had emailed pictures to Mr Beard I received a email back from him today, confirming that the rifle he believes is indeed a National Match rifle. Good enough for me. If feel like I won the lottery.
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Old 06-16-2021, 09:56 PM
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Gents:

1196717 falls in the Mark 1 serial number range, from 1034502 to 1197834. It has always been my thought that if an 03 fell in the Mark 1 serial number range, but didn't have the hole in the receiver for the Pederson Device, chances are it is a National Match. My notes say 1919 NM serials fall from 1092974 to 1095134. 1920 NM fall in the 1.18 and following serial number range. If your rifle doesn't have the Pederson Device hole, and has NM characteristics, it would be my thought that it is an NM.

Vi Shooter lists the first 1919 and 1920 serial numbers as:
1919 Jan 1 - 1055092, and
1920 Jan 1 - 1162501,
so your number would supposedly fall in the 1920 range.

I have a sporterized 1919 NM, in the 1.13 million range...........
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Old 06-17-2021, 06:18 AM
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Gents:

1196717 falls in the Mark 1 serial number range, from 1034502 to 1197834. It has always been my thought that if an 03 fell in the Mark 1 serial number range, but didn't have the hole in the receiver for the Pederson Device, chances are it is a National Match. My notes say 1919 NM serials fall from 1092974 to 1095134. 1920 NM fall in the 1.18 and following serial number range. If your rifle doesn't have the Pederson Device hole, and has NM characteristics, it would be my thought that it is an NM.

Vi Shooter lists the first 1919 and 1920 serial numbers as:
1919 Jan 1 - 1055092, and
1920 Jan 1 - 1162501,
so your number would supposedly fall in the 1920 range.

I have a sporterized 1919 NM, in the 1.13 million range...........
Thanks for the input. Rifle doesn't have the hole for a Pederson Device.
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Old 06-17-2021, 07:25 PM
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I have zero doubt this was a NM orignally.
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