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Old 01-13-2022, 05:33 PM
TMB TMB is offline
 
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I'd like to see the proof you have of that, actual documentation, not guesses.
Please provide them, otherwise that is simply a vague guess.
Google wc852. There will be tons of talk on reloading forums and others about it. Seems there are several different burn rates with it from fast to slow depending on lot numbers. Some people say slow like H380 other say slow like 4831 and still others say the fast like 4895.

I read somewhere (not on a forum) that they used 4895 burn rate for 30-06 during WWII, and they used the slower 4831 burn rate for 20mm cannon.
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Old 01-15-2022, 07:12 PM
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This isn't a secret and easily found on the net if you do a simple google search. 3031 replaced IMR 17
Then provide it.

http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/MIL...april_1994.pdf
TM-430001-27
Army Ammunition Data Sheets
Small Caliber Ammunition

Specs:
.30 M2 Ball: IMR 4895
.30 M2 AP (165.7 gr.): WC 852




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Old 01-16-2022, 10:46 AM
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So you can not provide even a link, let alone any basis in fact, to your opinion.

The OP would be well advised to avoid your reckless council.


Whereas:

http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/MIL...april_1994.pdf
TM-430001-27
Army Ammunition Data Sheets
Small Caliber Ammunition

Specs:
.30 M2 Ball: IMR 4895
.30 M2 AP (165.7 gr.): WC 852




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Old 01-16-2022, 01:22 PM
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So you can not provide even a link, let alone any basis in fact, to your opinion.

The OP would be well advised to avoid your reckless council.


Whereas:

http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/MIL...april_1994.pdf
TM-430001-27
Army Ammunition Data Sheets
Small Caliber Ammunition

Specs:
.30 M2 Ball: IMR 4895
.30 M2 AP (165.7 gr.): WC 852




GR
The link was provided...did you not use it? Its not my opinion...it's fact.

the first paragraph of your link which isn't any sort of load data manual at all..clearly states..

"1-1. PURPOSE
This manual is a reference handbook published as an
aid in planning, training, familiarization and identification
of small arms ammunition,..."


it has errors in it that would get a reloader in trouble.

So lets don't go offering up training manuals as some sort of legit load data.
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Old 01-16-2022, 06:55 PM
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The link was provided...did you not use it? Its not my opinion...it's fact.

the first paragraph of your link which isn't any sort of load data manual at all..clearly states..

"1-1. PURPOSE
This manual is a reference handbook published as an
aid in planning, training, familiarization and identification
of small arms ammunition,..."


it has errors in it that would get a reloader in trouble.

So lets don't go offering up training manuals as some sort of legit load data.
Nothing was clearly stated or linked.

And now it has been deleted.

I provided the OP w/ a Direct Link, w/ Direct Quote, RE: a U.S. Army Technical Manual.

http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/MIL...april_1994.pdf
TM-430001-27
Army Ammunition Data Sheets
Small Caliber Ammunition

Specs:
.30 M2 Ball: IMR 4895
.30 M2 AP (165.7 gr.): WC 852

Provide that.

And, until then, the OP would be well advised to disregard your reckless and unsourced opinions.




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Old 01-19-2022, 06:12 PM
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Default 308 7.62 x 51

I am waiting on my NEW M1a to arrive. Any help locating NEW ammo sources would be great. Thanks in advance.
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