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Old 08-11-2020, 08:27 AM
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FYI: The M14 was only used (again) in the mid 2000's for a couple of years, before being withdrawn from service again.
Not exactly per the historical record. While it is true that a large number of M14s were pulled from storage in the early-to-mid 200Xs for ad hoc DMR/SDM rifles, the fact is the Enhanced Battle Rifle (EBR) version of the M14 rifles with SAGE chassis were still widely in service with the US Army as of 2018, but were subsequently withdrawn in 2019-2020.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_14_...d_Battle_Rifle

2008-2018: Approx 6200 M14 EBR-RI rifles were issued as the US Army's standard Squad Designated Marksman rifles (SDM). Here's a quick history of those 6k rifles:
https://www.gunsandammo.com/editoria...-ebr-ri/247604

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What is the modern equivalent of the M1956 M14 mag pouches. Better yet, what do current soldiers and Marines use with their M14 rifles?
As for the question re magazine pouches: Each M14 EBR-RI was issued with 6 CMI magazines, and if I can find the reference, I think 3 Eagle Industries double M14 magazine pouches. That might have changed over time as Eagle Industries was subsequently sold to I think a foreign entity and the M14 magazines were discontinued. Here's what I think was originally issued with the early M14-EBR-RIs: https://www.opticsplanet.com/eagle-i...uch-molle.html


Here's some pics for anyone interested:



Relatively recent picture from 201X with several M14 EBR-RI, but not sure of exact date (note mag pouches, which look similar to the Eagle Industries design).
I suspect all these soldiers were qualified as Squad Desginated Marksman, and all were issued the same rifle and gear:


An EBR-RI in Afghanistan, Sept 2009. I noted the 3 mag pouches are OD green which is a little unusual:


This pic is likely 2009 or 2010 in Afghanistan (it is shown in the 2011 Leupold Tactical catalog).
The magazine pouches do not have flaps, so not sure what is being used here:


The USMC used the M14 DMR from 2000 to about 2009/2010 afterwhich they used the SAGE-chassis M39 (M14s) for a short period from 2008-2012, afterwhich they were replaced with the M110. I'm not sure what the USMC used for M14 magazine pouches.

The US Navy used the Mk 14 Mod 0/1 from 2004 until the late 200Xs. The final version, the Mk 14 Mod 2 were made in 2011 (only 250 made) and I think is still used by the Navy Expeditionary Combat Command (NECC). Not sure if the US Air Force (M14 EMR SEI) and US Coast Guard (M 14 T) are still using their M14s in SAGE chassis developed in the mid-200Xs.

So, while it is true that the M14s have largely been withdrawn from US military service as of 2020, it is important to note the SAGE chassis for the M14 extended its service life for about 15 years, and over 10k M14s in various configurations with the SAGE chassis were used by all branches of the US military from ~ 2004 to ~ 2018-19ish.

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Old 08-11-2020, 11:19 AM
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Gentlemen, I think there is a bit of confusion here. The M14 rifle and the Mk 14 EBR rifle share the same basic mechanical hardware but are still distinctly different rifles. M14 rifles were shipped overseas prior to the development of the Mk 14 EBR. Use of the M14 rifle was a stop gap measure. In fact, when the M14's were re-issued, there was a critical shortage of magazines. I would bet that there were no magazine pouches that were supplied with the rifles. Later, the Army acquired spare magazines from CMI. Fielding of the Mk 14 EBR was a much more organized matter and spare magazines, cleaning kits, etc. were supplied with the rifle. Of course, the real descriminators are the use of the SAGE chassis and the Leupold Mk 4 scope. The M14's originally fielded did not have scopes although enterprising soldiers did scope some of them. I am also pretty sure enterprising soldiers found suitable magazine pouches. At that time, SOCOM units did use SR-25's in the DMR role and there were magazine pouches made by Eagle Industries for that application.
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Old 08-11-2020, 01:21 PM
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Yes, from the 2002/3 to 2008 period when M14s were pulled from storage, they were sent out with only 1 magazine - and as noted above, standard magazine pouches were lacking. (Unless an SR-25 type magazine pouch was used). So soldiers improvised, as they tend to do...like this soldier in the early days of Iraq conflict (circa May 2004):

40513-A-3978J-007 A soldier, of 1st Platoon, Comanche Company 1-23 Infantry, 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division Stryker Brigade Combat Team (SBCT) looks through his scope of an M-14 sniper rifle in Mosul, Iraq on May 13, 2004. C Co. are conducting a search for non compliant forces. 3rd Bde. SBCT is in Iraq in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom. (U.S. Army photo by Sgt. Jeremiah Johnson) (unclassified)(released)



...again, not sure what magazine pouches were used with the USMC M14 DMR circa 2000-2010ish.



...As noted by Rick, things likely became far more standardized w/ the M14 EBR program in the late 200Xs.

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Old 08-16-2020, 09:56 AM
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RG, The pouches in the class photo look a lot like the Eagle Industries mag pouches that were procured for use with the SCAR-H.
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