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Old 03-21-2021, 09:34 PM
thorswhisper thorswhisper is offline
 
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Default Cast bullets for M1 Garand?

Does anyone do this? If so what moulds are you using and how fast are you pushing the bulets you use?
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Old 03-21-2021, 09:46 PM
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Yes, it can be done. Using medium weight, gas checked bullets with typical M1 powders at around 2000 fps, M1s will function 100% and accuracy at 100yds can equal M2 results. There is a lot to getting good results with cast bullets whether in M1s or any rifle. Try a search. Good Shooting. ...
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Old 03-22-2021, 06:16 AM
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I have been dabbling for a while.
I shoot cast in almost everything. For me my M1 cast days have come to a end.
I use 2 bullets cast with clip on wheel weights sized to .309 and .310 gas checked lubed with 2500.
311299 -200 gn
Ranch Dog 160 TL designed for 30/30 - this is my most accurate 30 cal bullet and the large meplat leaves a nice wad cutter hole.
i use H4895 because per hodgdon it can be reduced.
A garand with a healthy gas system and a older op rod spring are a good combo for good function.
Accuracy has been soso. About 3 moa.
i have not tried other powders with much success. AA5477 shows promise?
I have cast loads for sks,ak,ar,M1a,M1
Cast really shine in the 03a3
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Old 03-22-2021, 06:18 AM
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I have been dabbling for a while.
I shoot cast in almost everything. For me my M1 cast days have come to a end.
I use 2 bullets cast with clip on wheel weights sized to .309 and .310 gas checked lubed with 2500.
311299 -200 gn
Ranch Dog 160 TL designed for 30/30 - this is my most accurate 30 cal bullet and the large meplat leaves a nice wad cutter hole.
i use H4895 because per hodgdon it can be reduced.
A garand with a healthy gas system and a older op rod spring are a good combo for good function.
Accuracy has been soso. About 3 moa.
i have not tried other powders with much success. AA5477 shows promise?
I have cast loads for sks,ak,ar,M1a,M1
Cast really shine in the 03a3

My cast loads out of the 1/10 barrels seem to do best in that 1500-1800 range the garand is a touch under 2000 for reliable function. Anything faster and groups open way up.
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Old 03-22-2021, 07:03 AM
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Yup. . . .
Lyman #311291, sized .311”, 167 grain w/my alloy (hard)
39.5 grs. (DuPont) IMR 4895, WW Primer
1 5/8” 10-shot group @100 yds.

Please notice, I said TEN (10) shot group!! . . .NOT the 3 or 5 shot groups I now see that SUPPOSEDLY qualify as an ACCURATE rifle. (Just another part of the “dumbing-down” of America . . . . like our police departments switching to 9 mm autos in order to allow more “limp-wristed” officers to qualify.)
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Old 03-22-2021, 07:33 AM
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Generally speaking, cast bullets are loaded with different powders than those used for full metal jacketed bullets and they produce lower chamber pressures and velocities.

Having a good reference book like Lyman's Cast Bullet Handbook and Reloading Manual is a good place to start.

Because the M1 Garand is a semi-auto, you have to have enough pressure to cycle the action, so sometimes the lowest starting .30-06 recipes might not do the job. But you can do some experimentation by working up from them so that you do get 100 percent cycling, and then accuracy as well. Using copper base caps and harder lead will also help as you get more pressure and velocity.

I get very good accuracy with cast bullets weighing 160 or 173 grains in .30-06, fired through an 03A3 rifle.

Not all rifles do well with cast bullets, however. I tried loading cast in .223 Remington, and the groups resembled a shotgun pattern - all over the place. With .223, I stick to FMJ.

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Old 03-22-2021, 09:41 AM
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IIRC, 34grs of 4895 and 160gr cast bullets would reliably cycle issue M1s. Cycling the M1 was not a problem when standard powders were used. You can always use heavier bullets as the loads are quite mild. Lyman makes a 197grain, bore riding 30 cal silhouette bullet that is excellent. A pervasive problem with cast bullets is occasional flyers. Finding gas checks all the way from the muzzle to the target might be a clue.... Still, cast bullets are fun and inexpensive to play with. Good Shooting. ....
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Old 03-22-2021, 11:07 PM
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Go to the Cast Boolit Forum. Lots of good info there. I have used 311299 sized to .311 w/ gas check for mine. H4895 works pretty well. There is a guy there using IMR3031 w/ some good results as well. With the 1-10 twist of the typical Garand barrel velocity around 1940fps seems to yield promising results.
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Old 03-23-2021, 01:48 PM
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Yup. . . .
Lyman #311291, sized .311”, 167 grain w/my alloy (hard)
39.5 grs. (DuPont) IMR 4895, WW Primer
1 5/8” 10-shot group @100 yds.

Please notice, I said TEN (10) shot group!! . . .NOT the 3 or 5 shot groups I now see that SUPPOSEDLY qualify as an ACCURATE rifle. (Just another part of the “dumbing-down” of America . . . . like our police departments switching to 9 mm autos in order to allow more “limp-wristed” officers to qualify.)
No doubt you are talking M1 Rifle accuracy but I'd bet a case of beer when you shot that 1 5/8" group, at round #5 it was obvious the load was a winner. Good shooting.
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Old 03-23-2021, 05:58 PM
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No doubt you are talking M1 Rifle accuracy but I'd bet a case of beer when you shot that 1 5/8" group, at round #5 it was obvious the load was a winner. Good shooting.
Quite right, my friend . . . .

Whenever I see I have a great group forming, along about shot #8, my ole’ heart starts POUNDING . . .palms get sweaty!! (“Any moment now, I’m going to blow it!”)

These good 10-shot groups are an achievement that I really appreciate . . .especially with a combat/service arm.

My pre-war, Model 70 Winchester hornet gave me a nice, tight, 10-shot group that I carried around in my wallet for a while . . . .but that was not a combat rifle, of course, so it’s 7/8” group (though very nice) is just not on the same level as my service arms.

As someone once said, “If it was easy, everyone would do it.”
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