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Old 04-27-2021, 07:32 PM
CadillacMike CadillacMike is online now
 
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Default Winchester white box 9mm 115 gr with NATO markings

Hi, I have a couple boxes still of Winchester "white box" 100 rd value pack. The box says 9mm Luger 115 grain. I was looking at the headstamps and they are all marked: WCC 12 with the NATO cross. This is a military / NATO style of marking but 9mm NATO is 124gr.

I have lots of Win 9mm NATO 124gr and they all have the NATO style markings with the WCC mfr code, 2 digit year and NATO cross.

I've had this for a while and no problems with it, but why the military style markings on the 9mm Luger 115gr carts??
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Old 04-27-2021, 07:47 PM
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The NATO marked cases were available so, they were used.
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Old 04-27-2021, 08:14 PM
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Are you sure about the 124grain bullet being the only approved NATO spec bullet?

https://www.gd-otscanada.com/product...19-ammunition/

They seem willing to call a 115gr cartridge "NATO."
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Old 04-27-2021, 09:03 PM
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The new M1152 9mm ammo has a 115 grain ball projectile.
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Old 04-27-2021, 09:53 PM
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It’s a common misconception that 9mm NATO has to be 124gr. The STANAG says 9mm NATO can be 108-128gr, as long as it meets 400-600 ft-lb from a test barrel that is about 7.9.” The bullet does have to be a specific shape though.

http://gigconceptsinc.com/files/STAN...ridge_9x19.pdf

Either that’s contract overrun actual 9mm NATO ammo packed for commercial sale or overrun NATO marked brass they decided to use for commercial production.
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Old 04-28-2021, 12:06 AM
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Yes I know that 9mm NATO does not have to be 124gr. The strangeness is the box is labeled 9mm Luger, Not 9mm NATO.



It must have been a case of a lack of 9mm Luger marked cases...


OR I stuffed a bunch of 9mm NATO carts in a 9mm Luger box 9 years ago - not likely.
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Old 04-28-2021, 05:56 AM
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9mm NATO can still fall within pressure specifications for SAAMI or CIP 9mm Luger, so even if the whole cartridges were overrun 9mm NATO, it would be perfectly reasonable to market it as 9mm Luger.

Winchester white box is kind of known for using NATO brass leftover from other production runs. I don’t shoot factory ammo, but I do pick up a lot of WMA and WCC NATO marked cases from other shooters with white box. I remember a good bit of WMA 16 marked .45 ACP too, probably also military contract overrun.

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Old 04-28-2021, 04:38 PM
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A few years ago I purchased a thousand round case of Win whitebox 115 gr 9mm luger ammo. The cases were marked with the NATO symbol. I weighed a few normal Win 115 gr rounds, Win 124 grain NATO rounds and the new 115 gr ammo with the NATO cases.

The 115 gr with the NATO cases weighed in between the other two.

The NATO marked brass must weigh a bit more than the standard ammo.

They functioned fine in my Glock 17 and 19.

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Old 04-28-2021, 07:02 PM
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Hi, I have a couple boxes still of Winchester "white box" 100 rd value pack. The box says 9mm Luger 115 grain.
Can you post a picture of the box?

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