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Old 05-01-2021, 02:37 PM
HWDavis HWDavis is online now
 
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Default How rare are DCM Carbines and whatís their value?

Iíve been looking at an original 60ís Red River Arsenal DCM rebuild with tags, paperwork, and original box. Itís just a standard rearsenaled Inland. I donít see many of these. Is this combo worth anymore than a regular CMP carbine or a standard shooter rebuild? How rare are they? Price is around $2,000 which is insane for a rebuild but I wasnít sure based on its uniqueness.

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Old 05-01-2021, 05:55 PM
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Two years ago when an import was $800, a shooter $900, and a nice one up to $ 1,200. A DCM with papers was $1,250 to $1,300.
I todays market I would think $ 1,750.00 would be about right.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/898690460
This one add shipping and FFL fee and maybe sales tax.
So based on above , $2,000 is not crazy, maybe a $100 or so.
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Old 05-06-2021, 12:09 PM
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So if I understand the above metric, a CMP papered carbine would fall somewhere in between "shooter" and DCM papered. That $1750 DCM gun would be a 1650-$1700 as CMP, or $1500-$1550 as a gun only.
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Old 05-06-2021, 01:52 PM
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No, Most CMP carbines were well used. A DCM was unissued after rebuild and would like a new carbine. Of course assuming the current owner did not give it to a teenager to shoot.
CMP did release some Navy carbines unissued after rebuild in 2003 as "White Bag" carbines. Those usually go over $2K and up to $3K. And they do not have any paperwork as a rule. CMP was not issuing certificates for "pop guns" at the time. The only paper work was an invoice with hand written serial number.

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Old 05-06-2021, 07:17 PM
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6 Ring, I know you are one of the big carbine guys on the forum. In you opinion a "white bag" carbine, complete with the bag and the written receipt would be in the $3000 range today? Am I wrong in thinking those were only offered to members of the Carbine Club?
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Old 05-06-2021, 07:52 PM
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No, Most were not sold to the Carbine Club members. These Navy white bag carbines were sold to clubs with junior programs over the years and even a few years after 2003. I understood that in 2003 there was a large shipment of Garands coming in to CMP and warehouse space was needed. So the carbines were sold to members of the Carbine Club and opened up to ALL clubs. Usually club officers bought them and later sold them.
Most B/R were not refinished by the Navy, and had original type 1 or 2 bands.
Only about 25% were shipped with the bag, opened enough to verify serial number.
The price range of $2K to $3K is mostly based upon the condition of the stock. About a third were heavily sanded, a third only lightly sanded, and a third not sanded at all.
The later the carbine serial number, the less that was done to it. So a late five or six million Inland or Winchester might be like new.
The exception to this is some early carbines were rebuilt by the Army before the Navy got them and these would be refinished, all mixed parts and type 3 bands.
The Navy did not replace the bands.

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Old 05-08-2021, 03:19 PM
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I currently own 12 white bag carbines and I have the 12 bags they came in. All of the bags have been opened and the carbines removed by CMP for serialization. The typical bag has the following stenciled on one side:
Z021-6707651
CARBINE CAL 30 M1
WITH SLING, OILER & MAGAZINE
W/O BAYONET LUG
OSD. NORVA. 10/53

PRESERVED WITH VCI
DO NOT OPEN EXCEPT
FOR USE OR INSPECTION

Some had a printed label:
1005006707670
Serial number such as 1764xxx

Many had the serial number hand written in black magic marker on the bag
A few were marked as WITH BAYONET LUG
One example is 6868xxx with bayonet lug which appears to be brand new with all correct parts.

For some reason when CMP opened the bags they removed the seperate bag which contained the sling, oiler, and magazine.

The carbines I have include IP, SP, S'G', RO, I,.U., and W. Six had no lug and 5 with lug and 1 came in a yellowish clear plastic bag with no stenciling and simply a label with the serial number of gun.

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Old 05-08-2021, 08:04 PM
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It is my understanding the bags with the mag, sling and oiler were long gone before CMP got them. A buddy got one in an unopened bag ripped enough to read serial number. No bag of goodies with it.
And these carbines were put in the white bags in 1953, so the date of bag manufacturer(small black numbers) can not be after that. I have seen two faked.

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Old 05-09-2021, 07:32 PM
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Not sure when packet with sling, oiler, and magazine were removed or by whom. When we got them to confirm the serial numbers they were in the usual big cardboard boxes. I seem to remember one of the workers had a sample of the packet and it was an individually sealed clear plastic bag.
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