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Old 07-10-2020, 10:48 AM
Tommy1165 Tommy1165 is offline
 
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Default Bavarian IBM M1 Carbine

Here is an early IBM that was obviously sent to Bavaria post war. I contacted Bavarian expert James P. Mock and below is his reply. Thank you!

https://imgur.com/a/yVf7gmK


James P. Mock
Thu 5/30/2019 5:49 PM


Hi Thomas,

Value is based on a number of different things.

Generally the folks that like the "Bavarians" look at the condition of the carbine and its parts first. In your carbines case, the WB-LP-1239 on the trigger guard was the marking mandated by the U.S. Office of Military Government (OMGUS) for the Wurttemberg-Baden Landpolizei (State Police). The 1239 was as inventory number but also indicates they received at 1,239 carbines or more. The Landpolizei added the LPW to the recoil plate and the A51 on the receiver bevel. The A51 indicates which police post/station the carbine was assigned too. I haven't found anything that identifies the different police posts/stations yet.

While most of the carbines that have returned from German police agencies have an import mark, there are very few that don't. Brought in before the 1968 Gun Control Act took effect or returned to the U.S. Army by Austria (who bought many from Bavaria) who passed them on to the Civilian Marksmanship Program in 2008 and again in 2014 for civilian sales.

Those interested in a carbine for its history after it left the manufacturer that included it's use during the Occupation of Germany don't devalue the carbine for its import mark. The import mark is simply part of its history.

Your IBM looks to be in excellent original condition!
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Old 07-10-2020, 11:19 AM
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Very nice!!
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Old 07-10-2020, 11:26 AM
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Found this in a local PS for $800.00....
I grabbed it and ran.
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Old 07-10-2020, 04:42 PM
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I normally don't like Bavarians but I like this one with the stamps matching stock and TH.
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Old 07-10-2020, 05:17 PM
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I passed when they were offered...still kicking myself!! You did well...very nice!!
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Old 07-10-2020, 06:29 PM
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The email from James does add to the definitive history obviously. He has a fantastic web page if you have not visited it yet, please do so. Thanks fellas! Good stuff!
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Old 07-10-2020, 09:08 PM
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I don't know what history it could add. What import mark is he talking about?
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Old 07-11-2020, 07:49 AM
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vagrant,

As you are probably aware, after 1968 it was mandated all imported firearms have an import mark placed on the weapon. This import mark designates where the firearm came from through the importer. In my Bavarians case, "Century Arms" imported it from Germany. In the early 2000's, the CMP had a short run of Bavarian carbines but did not require an import mark. Many other popular importers had received carbines from S. Korea as well......Intrac, Excell, Century, etc. In fact, currently M1 carbines are being imported by RTI who have obtained them from Ethiopia.
All of the imported carbines were part of the MAP ( Military Assistance Program) during the time we had lend leased or sold.
So, the import mark is a part of its history. Unfortunately, my other post on my Winchester carbine has no known history except it's a typical; post war ordinance rebuild, as is 98% of the carbines, M1 rifles, etc. are.....
I hope this clarifies your question without going in depth further.
Have a great day and thank you for replying!
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Old 07-11-2020, 12:27 PM
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I would love to own that import mark or not.
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Old 07-11-2020, 01:57 PM
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Maxipum,

Thank you. The majority of the Bavarians ARE import marked, obviously excluding the short run of the CMP variants in the early 2000's......I was lucky to find it for sure!
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