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Old 05-02-2012, 03:41 PM
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Default 40X Inaccuracies... Take a Look!

Seriously, I do not know what it could be... I'll leave it up to the experts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLT_nCEDoAU&feature=plcp
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:19 PM
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Expert not by a long shot but I will give my opinion. I have spent no time shooting from a bench but have shot alot of 100 yard prone.

How much experience with iron peep style sights do you have? The reason I ask is that the number one most important thing about shooting irons is the same cheek weld and eye distance every shot. I watched the video and what I noticed was changing cheek weld and head was moving back and forth on the stock.

If you have checked all the basics and everything is tight on the rifle I would start with form. By the way if I would have shot that first group of 5 out of a cold clean barrel at a 100 yards I would have been happy. The rest probably had alot to do with frustration and mind wonder. I know I would not be able to shoot for groups while wondering "did I buy a lemon". Again just the opinion of a very average shooter. Thanks Ross 3605.
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:50 PM
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Me-thinks your technique needs some major work!!

For starters, your right elbow appears to NOT be in contact with the bench at the break of the shot!

In addition, the rear sandbag is NOT in contact with the rifle! Why have it there at all?

Improve your bench technique before forming any opinions on the ammo or equipment!

Your video work DOES look impressive, however!! --Jim
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Old 05-03-2012, 06:42 AM
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Me-thinks your technique needs some major work!!

For starters, your right elbow appears to NOT be in contact with the bench at the break of the shot!

In addition, the rear sandbag is NOT in contact with the rifle! Why have it there at all?

Improve your bench technique before forming any opinions on the ammo or equipment!

Your video work DOES look impressive, however!! --Jim
I guess I do not quite get the whole rear bag thing. For me, trying to align the rifle on the rest and the bag so all you have to do is pull the trigger is a near impossibility... regardless of rest, once I settle in, presentation always changes, and removing the rifle from the bag allows me to control the shot... obviously I am doing it wrong, and have a lot to learn.
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:12 AM
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I didn't watch the entire video but here are my thoughts.

First, there are plenty of references on the net and in book form on proper best tench techniques. Look into some of those. Precision shooting has some good resources.

Second start at 25 yards for sighting in your rifle if you haven't done that yet, than move to 100 yards.

Third, ammo. It looks like you may be using wolf? I tried wolf ammo years ago and it was the most inaccurate ammo I ever used.
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:24 AM
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I didn't watch the entire video but here are my thoughts.

First, there are plenty of references on the net and in book form on proper best tench techniques. Look into some of those. Precision shooting has some good resources.

Second start at 25 yards for sighting in your rifle if you haven't done that yet, than move to 100 yards.

Third, ammo. It looks like you may be using wolf? I tried wolf ammo years ago and it was the most inaccurate ammo I ever used.
I have not tried 25-yards, I can do that... I can do 100 as well.

What ammo would you recommend then...? The only other ammo I have is a couple bulk bricks from Wally World (Federal & Winchester), and I have a box of Remington Target. All of these have been junk at best.
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Old 05-03-2012, 09:37 AM
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Third, ammo. It looks like you may be using wolf? I tried wolf ammo years ago and it was the most inaccurate ammo I ever used.
What type Wolf did you find so inaccurate? Wolf Match is amazingly good. At least in my 40X. Simply buying more expensive .22 ammo is not a solution, when it seems most 40Xs have different appetites.

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Old 05-03-2012, 06:38 AM
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Expert not by a long shot but I will give my opinion. I have spent no time shooting from a bench but have shot alot of 100 yard prone.

How much experience with iron peep style sights do you have? The reason I ask is that the number one most important thing about shooting irons is the same cheek weld and eye distance every shot. I watched the video and what I noticed was changing cheek weld and head was moving back and forth on the stock.

If you have checked all the basics and everything is tight on the rifle I would start with form. By the way if I would have shot that first group of 5 out of a cold clean barrel at a 100 yards I would have been happy. The rest probably had alot to do with frustration and mind wonder. I know I would not be able to shoot for groups while wondering "did I buy a lemon". Again just the opinion of a very average shooter. Thanks Ross 3605.
Very little experience with the irons, but for the most part I have considered them fairly stright forward when sighting. Maybe my oversight or assumption about iron sights could be a small percentage of the issue. Cheek weld yes, I could see where that would be an issue of concern. Actually, my whole presen tation to the rifle is quite awkward, as the table is quite low (and slightly unstable) and my seat is too high. These issues definitely affected cheek weld.

It would seem that the consensus across the forums the problem is with my form, and I am 100% inclined to agree.
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Old 05-04-2012, 02:57 PM
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You're getting a bunch of real good advice here. Soon you'll have that 40X singing.
My USMC 40X shoots most ammo quite well but has a fondness for Center-X.
Also for those who didn't know, Wolf Match Extra and Match Target .22 ammo is made by SK Jagd, which is now part of Lapua.
Match Extra = SK Rifle Match, Match Target = SK Standard Plus.
Costs the same for either but I'll take the German package (Ich bin ein gerechtes Deutsch!).
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Old 05-04-2012, 03:36 PM
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You're getting a bunch of real good advice here. Soon you'll have that 40X singing.
My USMC 40X shoots most ammo quite well but has a fondness for Center-X.
Also for those who didn't know, Wolf Match Extra and Match Target .22 ammo is made by SK Jagd, which is now part of Lapua.
Match Extra = SK Rifle Match, Match Target = SK Standard Plus.
Costs the same for either but I'll take the German package (Ich bin ein gerechtes Deutsch!).
Being new to the .22 scene, thanks for clearing up who makes the Wolf .22 ammo. I keep seeing guys refer to the "Wolf Match ammo", and I'm thinking it's by the Russian Co. that makes that crappy steel cased ammo, guys love to shoot cause it's so cheap!
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