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Old 04-13-2021, 09:06 PM
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Any idea what the three rotating wood tabs held in place in the case? One is on top of the scope compartment lid and two under the center of the gun on the bottom ?
M84 double tooth key adjustment tool and cone shaped flash hider in the center. I am guessing that the one on top of the scope compartment is the 3.17 mm hex key for socket head screws, since that is listed on the inventory sheet on the lid. Either that or it held "descriptive note of the 7.62 caliber rifle NATO Type 2 with envelope".

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Recieved mine today, transit case is in great shape, wood is good, bore is great, clear glass. Except for the scope not being matching it is hard to find fault with it.



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What is on right side of the inner lid?

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Old 04-13-2021, 09:34 PM
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What is on right side of the inner lid?
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Old 04-13-2021, 10:17 PM
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NICE Miller Tyme!
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Old 04-14-2021, 07:37 AM
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About that 3.17 mm hex key for the scope. Where are you supposed to get one of those? Seems really odd they would pick a very non-available size. 3mm is way too loose and 4mm won't fit. Best I've got is 1/8" and it is loose. Good luck to those that need to replace a screw. Any idea of the thread size?

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Old 04-14-2021, 08:16 AM
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From a logistical accountability/financial standpoint, their (Italian) process makes since. There was no reason to tool up to make new barrels if they had an adequate supply of VG condition examples on hand and they were not going to produce thousands like the US did.
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The later US Navy Mark 2 Mod 1 had the advantage of a 1:12 twist optimized for the bullets in use at the time, which sleeved and set back barrels do not have.

The Italians actually did try making new full length 7.62 barrels at first, which was for the Tipo 1 conversion rifle. Those had 1:12 twist rifling as well. It wasnít deemed cost effective for them, so thatís why the Tipo 2 came along.
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Old 04-14-2021, 04:50 PM
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Received earlier today
Breda 161635 (case has hang tag for 160313)
Scope #46724
Scope block 20990

https://imgur.com/a/QVZ8n7Q
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Old 04-14-2021, 08:26 PM
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Received earlier today
Breda 161635 (case has hang tag for 160313)
Scope #46724
Scope block 20990

https://imgur.com/a/QVZ8n7Q
Very nice, congrats! Mine is supposed to show up tomorrow. Anxiously awaiting.
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Old 04-14-2021, 10:26 PM
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The later US Navy Mark 2 Mod 1 had the advantage of a 1:12 twist optimized for the bullets in use at the time, which sleeved and set back barrels do not have.
The Italians actually did try making new full length 7.62 barrels at first, which was for the Tipo 1 conversion rifle. Those had 1:12 twist rifling as well. It wasnít deemed cost effective for them, so thatís why the Tipo 2 came along.
Good Day,
I reached out to Ruggero Pettinelli, author of Il garand in Italia on the subject of TIPO1's,
"the Type 1 rifle has a barrel with the same length of the .30-06 one. I never measured the barrel twist, but think it's 10". Very few rifles "type 1" were manufactured before switching to Type 2, which was more cheap because you saved the original barrel."
Looking a bit further, it appears the TIPO1 rifles were converted though only 1964. The TIPO2 conversions started sometime in "late" 1964 and were the subsequent standard.

On a side note, Mr. Pettinelli's book is currently unavailable in the US but I've spoken with him and will have 9 copies available in a few weeks. The book will provide further insight into developmental history of the Italian M1 & BM59 series) rifles
Regards,
Mike

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Old 04-15-2021, 06:02 AM
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Good Day,
I reached out to Ruggero Pettinelli, author of Il garand in Italia on the subject of TIPO1's,
"the Type 1 rifle has a barrel with the same length of the .30-06 one. I never measured the barrel twist, but think it's 10". Very few rifles "type 1" were manufactured before switching to Type 2, which was more cheap because you saved the original barrel."
Looking a bit further, it appears the TIPO1 rifles were converted though only 1964. The TIPO2 conversions started sometime in "late" 1964 and were the subsequent standard.

On a side note, Mr. Pettinelli's book is currently unavailable in the US but I've spoken with him and will have 9 copies available in a few weeks. The book will provide further insight into developmental history of the Italian M1 & BM59 series) rifles
Regards,
Mike

Neat, very little English language stuff is currently available on the Italian Garands. What little Iíve found only mentions the Tipo 1 in passing and assumed a 1:12 twist.
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Old 04-15-2021, 06:53 AM
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My lower block that supports the front of the M1 in the case was missing. I'm making a new one. Is the cut out flat or tapered like the blocks in the rear?
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