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Old 11-13-2020, 10:24 AM
WindLogik WindLogik is offline
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Originally Posted by champ0608 View Post
But you don't need to explain that to me. I am very, very, very well aware of that. I have been shooting service rifles for quite a long time, and went through all of the transition angst everyone else went through in 2015/2016. I know.

I know that earlier I said "They'll want their team using the new Army optic. Or at least one with similar/relevant capabilities." I should have put emphasis on the second sentence. I will now. AT LEAST ONE WITH SIMILAR/RELEVANT CAPABILITIES.

I know the AMU adopted the Nightforce scope with the SR1 reticle, and then played a role in developing the SR2 reticle. I know.

The point of the thread was "will the rules change" and I said I think they will.

It is my opinion that the USAMU will want to go shopping for new 6x scopes now that the US Army has 6x scopes. It is also my opinion that the CMP will agree and change the rules once the AMU make that decision. It is also my opinion that if the US Army has 6 scopes, maybe "CMP service rifles" should have 6x scopes as well.

The AMU must remain relevant to the regular Army. It is their mission. When the Army get some 6x scope, the AMU will also want A 6x scope of some variety.

And this is an awful lot of typing for a small-talk, chit-chat thread about scopes, rules, and opinions.

It is my OPINION that the rules will change.
And I hope that further change is fought tooth and nail. I am tired of having to dump cash money into keeping up with "Service Rifle". It used to be the affordable option, and I don't want to keep buying scopes.

I think that what we do in SR matches is very different than what the military does. I have not seen a person shoot one match with a 4 power ACOG.
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Old 11-13-2020, 12:16 PM
rickgman rickgman is online now
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Originally Posted by champ0608 View Post

The AMU must remain relevant to the regular Army. It is their mission. When the Army get some 6x scope, the AMU will also want A 6x scope of some variety.
Sorry but that logic if seriously flawed. The magnification is only one characteristic of a scope. There are other important characterists besides magnificant - among them are reticle design, windage and elevation turret design and resolution and objective lens diameter to name just a few. A scope that only has the same magnification as the issue scope simply isn't the same as an issue scope so it isn't "relevant" as you suggest.
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Old 11-20-2020, 08:29 AM
Louisxllx Louisxllx is offline
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I have shot at least a half dozen High Power matches with a 4X ACOG. But I wasn't in the Service Rifle category because I used a 14.5 inch M4 configuration. Also, these matches were the reduced distance kind at both 200 and 300 yards.

This was before carbine types were classified as Service Rifles. It is very hard to use the ACOG because the 1,2 and 3 hundred meter stadia lines are close together. Instead of holding center at 200 yards (with the 200 meter line), I ended up putting the 300 meter line at six o'clock on the bull. 300 yards wasn't too bad because there is a bit more room between the lines and prone is pretty stable.

Plus you can really only hold off for wind.

I did mostly shoot Master (NRA) scores, with the highest being around a 767 I think.

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Old 11-20-2020, 02:47 PM
Roadkingtrax Roadkingtrax is offline
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6x or higher will certainly be the standard in the future.

Shoot it or not, it doesn't matter.
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Old 12-28-2021, 09:11 PM
USMC0369 USMC0369 is offline
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Well the Marine Corps just adopted and is fielding a new 1-8x so does that mean the rules should now allow 8X?
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Old 12-29-2021, 06:41 PM
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I recently asked a USMC SR team member if he ever saw the USMC fielding a dedicated marksmanship organization like AMU. He said that AMU is a competitive team, period. What AMU shoots and how they train has very little to do with what the regular army shoots or how they train. At some point we might as well just shoot “any rifle any sight”.
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