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Old 01-27-2016, 03:27 AM
dboyer82 dboyer82 is offline
 
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The Tomb Sentinels is on duty to stand a ceremonial vigil over the remains of men who gave beyond their last full measure. The guards are not there to keep the remains of the honored dead from being removed.

A stern warning from a Sentinel reminding everyone that Silence and Respect are required will usually ensure that the sanctity of the tomb is maintained.

If someone needs hemmed up the park police are never far away.
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Old 01-27-2016, 12:26 PM
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The Tomb Sentinels is on duty to stand a ceremonial vigil over the remains of men who gave beyond their last full measure. The guards are not there to keep the remains of the honored dead from being removed.

A stern warning from a Sentinel reminding everyone that Silence and Respect are required will usually ensure that the sanctity of the tomb is maintained.

If someone needs hemmed up the park police are never far away.
+1 Well said! plus there are a butt load of MP's feet away at Ft. Myer and the Arlington County police a phone call away.
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Old 01-29-2016, 09:44 PM
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Well said dboyer82. It is a matter of respect and honer.
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Old 01-30-2016, 10:04 AM
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No ammo. Those folks are very sharp. Sadly folks sometimes are disrespectful and loud within the crowds that view....that matter is normally resolved by asking to pipe down or via the vets in the crowd....per a friend and fellow vet who got into a pushing match with a JackXXX back in 2010...
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Old 02-03-2016, 10:12 PM
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The guards are "armed" but do not carry live ammo. For those of us who served, we know that you are almost never issued ammo for guard duty. Almost never issued a weapon for that matter. The Old Guard performs ceremonial guard duty although they could probably deliver a nice vertical butt stroke, recover and thrust if need be.
The Navy must have been different than the Army and Air Force. I've been told that in the 60s, AF personnel were given rifles in S. Vietnam but no ammo. Only got ammo if the base actually was under attack. While in the 50s in the Navy dad carried a .45 or 03A3 that were loaded. 60s-70s they had loaded 1911s inside his buildings, and the ship had .45s, 03A3s, and .50s all with ammo. The ship also had thermite in certain places all set and ready to ignite. Didn't the AF also have loaded .45s in the missile launch control rooms? And weren't flightline APs given loaded weapons near B-52s on strip alert?
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Old 02-03-2016, 10:31 PM
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The Navy must have been different than the Army and Air Force. I've been told that in the 60s, AF personnel were given rifles in S. Vietnam but no ammo. Only got ammo if the base actually was under attack. While in the 50s in the Navy dad carried a .45 or 03A3 that were loaded. 60s-70s they had loaded 1911s inside his buildings, and the ship had .45s, 03A3s, and .50s all with ammo. The ship also had thermite in certain places all set and ready to ignite. Didn't the AF also have loaded .45s in the missile launch control rooms? And weren't flightline APs given loaded weapons near B-52s on strip alert?
I only carried a .38 for 8 alerts before the Air Force pulled them out of the capsules in 1990...the other 285 I was unarmed.
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Old 02-06-2016, 11:47 AM
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In my life have only cried in open public in three places The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, the Vietnam Wall, and over the USS Arizona. In each place people looked at me like I was a unstable nut. Its sad so many don't get that so many gave up literally everything for this nation and their well being.

That said these young men guarding the Tomb are amazing.
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:17 AM
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If guards have no live rounds then times must have changed..... Understand a memorial is different, but on base In the late 70's we were issued 3 rounds for our m16 while on guard duty in front of the base armoury. I remember having to check the rounds back in after being relieved. if we cant trust a trained soldier with live ammo, then whats the point......
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:46 AM
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The Sentinels at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier are not assessed, selected, and trained to "guard" the tomb. They are not on duty to "guard" the sarcophagus and crypts like a First Sergeant assigns a detail to guard an Ammunition Supply Point.

The TUS is a ceremonial vigil that provides dignity and honor to American service members who gave not only their lives, but their identity in service of our nation.

What specific threat at Arlington National Cemetery would require not only an M14 with a fixed bayonet, but live ammunition?

IF a Tomb Sentinel did fire on a visitor that crossed the chains and refused to leave what would the political fall-out be? I believe it would end the ceremonial vigil in today's climate.

Is there a reason that the Park Police who provide law enforcement support to the cemetery is not sufficient to provide outside security to the TUS? What of the Military Police at Fort Myer?

Because the Sentinels don't have live ammunition does not mean it isn't issued to every Soldier who conducts guard duty.

If the 3rd U.S. Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard) had to defend the tomb with live ammo you would see these infantryman in battle dress with M4 carbines and protective equipment (like Soldiers assigned to guard or force protection duties) not ceremonial dress blues, double sole steel tap dress shoes, and obsolete battle rifles that comprise the uniform of the Army's primer ceremonial element.

Just my .02 as a former member of the Regiment. (Never a Sentinel)

1st Presidential Marching Escort Platoon, Honor Guard Company, 3rd U.S. Infantry Regiment. 2000-2004

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Old 02-13-2016, 08:38 AM
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Just my .02 as a former member of the Regiment. (Never a Sentinel)

1st Presidential Marching Escort Platoon, Honor Guard Company, 3rd U.S. Infantry Regiment. 2000-2004
First thank you for your service, second I am Positive My Brother would be proud of your service too, KIA June 3 1968 Vietnam, USMC. I have been to the Tomb several times....Teared up each time. Why people would become rude during their visit is a clear picture where our Country is today.
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